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Omkara
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Miles Rationis
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 Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 5:17 pm Post subject: Re: "...dangerous for our children to even know [atheis |
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http://blogs.chicagotribune.com/news_columnists_ezorn/2008/04/rep-monique-dav.html
Boy, oh boy! |
Already posted this...no one paid attention. |
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Omkara
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| Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 5:33 pm Post subject: |
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Omkara
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| Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 5:34 pm Post subject: |
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Reposted from: http://richarddawkins.net/article,2441,Get-out-of-here-atheists,PZ-Myers-Pharyngula
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http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2008/04/get_out_of_here_atheists.php
The governor of Illinois has been playing some games with state money, shuffling a million dollars to benefit a Baptist church, and an atheist dared to testify to the legislature against this. The response from one legislator was unsurprising: she shrieked at the atheist to get out.
Rep. Monique Davis (D-Chicago) interrupted atheist activist Rob Sherman during his testimony Wednesday afternoon before the House State Government Administration Committee in Springfield and told him, "What you have to spew and spread is extremely dangerous . . . it's dangerous for our children to even know that your philosophy exists!
"This is the Land of Lincoln where people believe in God," Davis said. "Get out of that seat . . . You have no right to be here! We believe in something. You believe in destroying! You believe in destroying what this state was built upon."
Disbelief in religion means you have "no right" to speak to members of government? Wow. And note the "D" after her name � she's a member of the party most (but definitely not all!) American atheists lean towards.
There's more on this exchange: it looks like Sherman kept his cool, while Davis spewed her hate.
Chicago atheists, you know what to do: next election, campaign against Monique Davis. Get someone who is not a raving nutbag to run. Right now, her district needs to flood her mailbox with letters of protest. You can find her contact information online; let her know that you do not appreciate her efforts to disenfranchise and discriminate against you.
Listen to the audio!
DO SOMETHING:
Contact the Democratic Party
Contact Rep. Davis
Contact the Illinois State Democratic Party
Davis' Springfield Office:
241-E Stratton Office Building
Springfield, IL 62706
(217) 782-0010
(217) 782-1795 FAX
Davis' District Office:
1234 West 95th Street
Chicago, IL 60643
(773) 445-9700
(773) 445-5755 FAX |
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Miles Rationis
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| Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 6:38 pm Post subject: |
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| Omkara wrote: |
| Are you on Dawkins e-mail list? |
Yes. |
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ED209
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| Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 7:05 pm Post subject: |
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http://friendlyatheist.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/davis.mp3
Although she starts of with a fair point (the restoration of a historical building) the rest is just a hate filled diatribe and and an abuse of her position. Most of her points were not only incorrect but irrelevant. Embarrassing. This is the House State Government Administration Committee not Dave's! |
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ED209
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| Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 7:12 pm Post subject: |
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Just read the original story about the church restoration, very sus.
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| SPRINGFIELD � Deputy Gov. Louanner Peters on Wednesday spent more than an hour dodging questions from an Illinois House committee investigating a $1 million grant that wound up going to a troubled private school instead of a church because of what Gov. Rod Blagojevich has called a "bureaucratic mistake." |
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| The grant came as state and federal authorities were trying to collect thousands of dollars in unpaid taxes from the school, the Tribune reported Wednesday. Other potential roadblocks also were cleared to make the grant possible: The governor gave a rare and swift pardon to the school's director, a convicted felon; the school registered as a charitable organization for the first time in its 25-year history; and the school filed three years' worth of required state tax documents in one day. |
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RACETRAITOR
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| Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 7:45 pm Post subject: |
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| If only the government would put so much effort into protecting kids from the truth about Santa Claus. |
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Omkara
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| Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 8:20 pm Post subject: |
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| RACETRAITOR wrote: |
| If only the government would put so much effort into protecting kids from the truth about Santa Claus. |
What d'ya mean, the "truth" about Santa Claus? Santa can suspend the laws of nature and make his deer fly.
You'll never be able to understand until you experience the spirit of Santa.
Do you want to take Santa away from millions of boys and girls? You are a bad person. |
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RACETRAITOR
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| Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 8:27 pm Post subject: |
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| Omkara wrote: |
| RACETRAITOR wrote: |
| If only the government would put so much effort into protecting kids from the truth about Santa Claus. |
What d'ya mean, the "truth" about Santa Claus? Santa can suspend the laws of nature and make his deer fly.
You'll never be able to understand until you experience the spirit of Santa.
Do you want to take Santa away from millions of boys and girls? You are a bad person. |
You make a good point. Also if kids don't believe that Santa Claus will bring them gifts, they'll have no reason to be good. |
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laogaiguk
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| Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 8:43 pm Post subject: |
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| We look back on the Roman Empire and laugh that they made decisions based on entrails. People 1000 years from now are gonna laugh so hard that we still make decisions (or elect people like that crazy, messed up woman) into major positions of power based on a 2000 year old book. |
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Omkara
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| Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 9:23 pm Post subject: |
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| RACETRAITOR wrote: |
| Omkara wrote: |
| RACETRAITOR wrote: |
| If only the government would put so much effort into protecting kids from the truth about Santa Claus. |
What d'ya mean, the "truth" about Santa Claus? Santa can suspend the laws of nature and make his deer fly.
You'll never be able to understand until you experience the spirit of Santa.
Do you want to take Santa away from millions of boys and girls? You are a bad person. |
You make a good point. Also if kids don't believe that Santa Claus will bring them gifts, they'll have no reason to be good. |
Presents are important, yes. But today's teaching about Santa are watered down, a departure from the Truth.
Presents are only given to a select few, pre-determined and chosen. The rest get lumps of coal in their stockings. This is the metaphysical implication of the chimney: that if they get enough coal, the little f*@k#$ will be burned to death forever!
America was founded on elves! Beware, the Anti-Claus is already among us! |
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Omkara
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| Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 9:28 pm Post subject: |
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| laogaiguk wrote: |
| We look back on the Roman Empire and laugh that they made decisions based on entrails. People 1000 years from now are gonna laugh so hard that we still make decisions (or elect people like that crazy, messed up woman) into major positions of power based on a 2000 year old book. |
You assume too much progress. People in a 1000 years may well regress to entrails.
Look at Islam. Given the context of its time, the Golden Age of Islam was far more culturally advanced than that we see so often now.
Could Christianity regain a choke hold on us? Is that not the deeper implication and worry about funding religious schools and programs with public money? That we (the Americans) could in fact become "one nation, under God"? |
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Rteacher
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| Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 9:34 pm Post subject: |
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Yeah, it would be better to base it on a 5000 year old book (with an oral tradition going back much farther than that ...)
Actually, atheistic philosophies - just as sophisticated if not more so - than the current "bright" ideas also were extant in ancient times.
However, they were logically defeated by Vedic personalist philosophies (and even Buddhism was later intellectually driven from India ...)
The atheistic materialists of today have nothing spiritually positive to offer - good Christians are better role-models for kids... |
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RACETRAITOR
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| Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 9:53 pm Post subject: |
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| Rteacher wrote: |
Yeah, it would be better to base it on a 5000 year old book (with an oral tradition going back much farther than that ...)
Actually, atheistic philosophies - just as sophisticated if not more so - than the current "bright" ideas also were extant in ancient times.
However, they were logically defeated by Vedic personalist philosophies (and even Buddhism was later intellectually driven from India ...)
The atheistic materialists of today have nothing spiritually positive to offer - good Christians are better role-models for kids... |
Good Christians? Most of the Christians I meet seem to be a hell of a lot more materialist than the atheists I grew up with. |
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