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Davew125



Joined: 11 Mar 2007

PostPosted: Mon May 05, 2008 2:40 am    Post subject: Koreans and the sun Reply with quote

It appears that Koreans dislike the sun, or at least try to avoid it. Where i live theres lots of parks and green open spaces, when ever the sun is out they are completely deserted. This to me is strange coming from England where the two days of sunshine a year are greeted with delirium, bbqs and hose pipe bans. Does anyone know why this is? is it it to do with the 'sun tan means you're a peasant who works the fields' thing or is there some other reason.

Also is it OK to take your top off when laying in the sun? I've never seen a Korean guy with his top off when its hot but as i mention above Koreans dont seem that taken with trying to tan up at all, so is it frowned upon or do Koreans just not care for tanning?
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butlerian



Joined: 04 Sep 2006
Location: Korea

PostPosted: Mon May 05, 2008 3:01 am    Post subject: Re: Koreans and the sun Reply with quote

Davew125 wrote:
It appears that Koreans dislike the sun, or at least try to avoid it. Where i live theres lots of parks and green open spaces, when ever the sun is out they are completely deserted. This to me is strange coming from England where the two days of sunshine a year are greeted with delirium, bbqs and hose pipe bans. Does anyone know why this is? is it it to do with the 'sun tan means you're a peasant who works the fields' thing or is there some other reason.

Also is it OK to take your top off when laying in the sun? I've never seen a Korean guy with his top off when its hot but as i mention above Koreans dont seem that taken with trying to tan up at all, so is it frowned upon or do Koreans just not care for tanning?


Some Koreans enjoy tanning, but the majority do not. White skin is generally favoured. Taking your top off in a park or fairly private place is perfectly fine. It's probably a better idea than getting sunburned like most English people do when the sun appears and living in agony for a few days.
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cdninkorea



Joined: 27 Jan 2006
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Mon May 05, 2008 3:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't know about parks, but on Haeundae beach last year on Busan there were women laying on their backs with the straps undone to avoid tan lines, and lots of guys tanning topless too.

The sun is generally avoided but this is changing, and like everything else in Korea, the change is happening quickly compared to my country (Canada) and likely yours too.

One thing that amuses me though is how the same Koreans who avoid the sun will still talk about how 'gloomy' they are when it's not sunny; if they hate the sun, shouldn't they welcome cloudy days?
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Chris Kwon



Joined: 23 Jan 2008
Location: North Korea

PostPosted: Mon May 05, 2008 5:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

People don't wanna look like they are from the country side or be mistaken for a southeast asian.

Me personally I can't stand pale Korean women, gotta have somewhat of a tan or dark enough to where I can't see their veins.
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Scotticus



Joined: 18 Mar 2007

PostPosted: Mon May 05, 2008 5:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chris Kwon wrote:

Me personally I can't stand pale Korean women, gotta have somewhat of a tan or dark enough to where I can't see their veins.


I like pale, but some of the girls here are positively translucent. No thank you, ma'am.
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mikekim



Joined: 11 Aug 2006

PostPosted: Mon May 05, 2008 5:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Freaking hilarious when I ask who the students think the most beautiful students are. Its always these really ghost, pasty white thin kids that spend half the day applying SPF 50 and the other half sleeping. Good luck later in life.
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ryouga013



Joined: 14 Sep 2007

PostPosted: Mon May 05, 2008 5:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Let's not forget the visors and umbrellas!
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jetrash



Joined: 02 Jun 2007
Location: the united steaks

PostPosted: Mon May 05, 2008 8:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Simple,this one.
In the korean mind mad-machine :

white(ie.western looking) = GOOD,NOBELESSE,RICHE,modern etc etc etc

yellowish(ie.korean,asian looking)=BAD,WORKING CLASSE,POOR,OLD FASHIONED, etc etc etc

plus the cosmetic work to get rid of asian eyes nose etc





So,Korean "pride", is it real,or a load of shouting to hide this shame?
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teachteach



Joined: 26 Mar 2008

PostPosted: Mon May 05, 2008 8:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You misunderstand jetrash. Even before koreans knew of westerners they always have a 'skin color' divide.
That's why they never like cholla-do people.
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excitinghead



Joined: 18 Jul 2005

PostPosted: Mon May 05, 2008 4:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If anyone's interested, I'm in the middle of typing up a paper for a Korea Studies conference on the exact same subject, and have already written most of what I'm going to say in these posts of mine on my blog:

http://thegrandnarrative.wordpress.com/2008/04/26/korean-women-part-3-final-a-caucasian-ideal/

http://thegrandnarrative.wordpress.com/2008/04/15/korean-women-part-2-exercise-and-cosmetics/

Sort-of in these posts too:

http://thegrandnarrative.wordpress.com/2008/04/04/womens-bodies-in-koreas-consumer-society-part-3-final-nation-family-self/

To give you an idea of how much especially Korean women avoid the sun, one of the links I found showed that by the age of 55, they have the most serious vitamin D deficenices of any group of women in the world. Shocked I guess that's what 3 decades of not so much as being able to cross a sunny street without covering your face does to you.

A lot of commenters to those posts also argued that Koreans liked pale skin before meeting Westerners, like in many other countries associating it with the elite that didn't work on farms, but the consensus of the all the books and journals I researched was that all the evidence suggests that Korean women have definitely adopted a Caucasian (not merely "pale") ideal of beauty now.
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Mr. Pink



Joined: 21 Oct 2003
Location: China

PostPosted: Mon May 05, 2008 4:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You could also add, why when it is sunny as hell outside why Koreans do not wear sunglasses, and when you as a foreigner are wearing them, people think you are trying to be "cool". The concept of protecting your eyes from the sun doesn't really ring a bell with most Koreans.

I think the fact that when a yellow Korean gets sunburned and goes brown they resemble people from India, the Middle East or Africa. Since Koreans are the most racist again people with that type of skin color, is it any surprise why people don't want to get sun burned to get that dark?
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Frankly Mr Shankly



Joined: 13 Feb 2008

PostPosted: Mon May 05, 2008 5:19 pm    Post subject: Re: Koreans and the sun Reply with quote

butlerian wrote:

Some Koreans enjoy tanning, but the majority do not. White skin is generally favoured.


That being said, in my corner of Southeast Asia we have quite a few Koreans living here. At times I have struggled to tell them apart from the locals (save for when they open their mouths or buy ramen or Korean cigarettes at the minimart). Makes me giggle a bit since a lot of the kids I taught would tell me how dirty people from here looked because of their dark skin.
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browneyedgirl



Joined: 17 Jul 2007

PostPosted: Mon May 05, 2008 5:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ryouga013 wrote:
Let's not forget the visors and umbrellas!


When I lived in Arizona, all the Black, Asian and Hispanic people in my neighborhood walked around with umbrellas. Otherwise, you'd look 10 years older than your real age.
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crazy_arcade



Joined: 05 Nov 2006

PostPosted: Mon May 05, 2008 5:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

From a health perspective--walking around with a sun umbrella or visor is beneficial.
I go out in the sun with bucketloads of sunblock, a hat, and sunglasses on. Otherwise, I'd be right fuked. Sun visors and sun umbrellas are no different other than the fact that we don't think it's "cool."

A lot of young Koreans enjoy tanning and such--my girlfriend loves tanning.
However, among the older people there is a different in culture.
If you were tanned then it meant you did labouring work outside and if you had light skin it meant that you were rich enough to not have to do work outside.

In the West it's the opposite. People have a tan to show their affluence--they can afford to go somewhere and lie in the sun all day instead of working.
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crusher_of_heads



Joined: 23 Feb 2007
Location: kimbop and kimchi for kimberly!!!!

PostPosted: Mon May 05, 2008 5:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In movies and TV, vampires look sexy.


Korean vampire hags are less than desirable.
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