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Tiger Beer · Joined: 07 Feb 2003

How much longer is this thing going to go?

Clinton pledged to keep on keepin' on.

agentX · Joined: 12 Oct 2007 Location: Jeolla province

Gen. Wes Clark, a strong Clinton supporter, has already called on Clinton to leave the race.
Her campaign is bloodied, broke, flailing around, and on the map.
I saw the results in between class. Pissing off the black electorate came back to haunt her BIG TIME in IN and NC. In IN alone, Blacks broke for Obama 92 to 8.
The Rush Limbaugh effect might have won her the state's popularity vote but it only gave her 2 delegates. With Obama's +15 margin in NC, that totally wipes out her gains from PA.

All she has left is the "Nuclear Option" the forced seating of Florida and Michigan on May 30th at the DNC meeting. But even that won't work.
She has canceled her meetings tomorrow and the next couple days. That's not the sign of a 'winner'.

It's over...Obama wins...Flawless victory!

Ya-ta Boy · Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Established in 1994

kabrams · Joined: 15 Mar 2008 Location: your Dad's house

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Gopher · Joined: 04 Jun 2005

I agree, unhappily, that Clinton's campaign will not likely secure the nomination and Obama's will.

Czarjorge · Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 1:36 pm Post subject:

Gopher, you may not change your mind, but I expect a number of people will. McCain hasn't been scrutinized thus far. He will be, and the McCain of 2000 is long gone.

Milwaukiedave · Joined: 02 Oct 2004 Location: Goseong

And add in the revelation that Clinton loaned her campaign another $6.4 million, which didn't come out until after the day after Indiana/North Carolina.

I think she's going to stay in the race until May 20th. His delegate pickup in Kentucky and Oregon should pretty much end it. The super delegates are starting to decide and it's clear Obama doesn't need that many to put him over the top. Last I looked Clinton still leads in super delegates, but only by 11. In the beginning of the year she lead by 100.

Adventurer · Joined: 28 Jan 2006

Milwaukiedave · Joined: 02 Oct 2004 Location: Goseong

I have a tendency to say no, she would have stayed in regardless of whether she won Indiana or not.

1) She has stated repeatedly she's in the race for the long run

2) She's pretty much expected easy wins in Kentucky and West Virginia

Personally I was a little shocked Indiana was as close as it was, I thought Obama would lose by at least 5%. The last time I looked she won by about 23,600 votes. She lost North Carolina by a good margin, so the popular vote argument is thrown out the window.

I've been saying consistantly for about a month (if you don't believe me go check my post history) I think this will end on May 20th. On that day, Oregon will go for Obama and he will enough delegates between pledged and super delegates to end it.

agentX · Joined: 12 Oct 2007 Location: Jeolla province

One of her campaign members talked to a pundit and told him that the campaign's gonna run till June 3, try and force Florida and Michigan past the rules committee (the Nuke option) then try and convince the superdelegates for a week, and then hang it up on the 15th.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/lawrence-odonnell/hillary-will-drop-out-by_b_100625.html

It's kinda funny to see Clinton supporters want to vote for McCain because Obama has won. Especially in light of the fact that Hillary would have been McCain's opponent. Women voters should especially be worried, since McCain wants ultra-conservative judges in the form of Robert Bork.
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/05/07/when-mccain-loved-robert-bork/

So, a vote for McCain means more judges even farther to the right of Alito.
That means no more
1) abortion
2) civil rights
3) consumer protections
4) habeas corpus
5) fair elections
6) free speech.
Wasn't/isn't Clinton in favor of all of these things, especially abortion?
I doubt that white women supporters of Hillary are gonna go running to a candidate that is their worst enemy. But hey, this is AMERICA we're talking about here. It's the Land of the Free, not the Land of the Smart.

mithridates · Posted: Thu May 08, 2008 4:48 am Post subject:

There's a good article here on the mistakes Clinton made:

http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1738331,00.html

Especially these parts:

djsmnc · Joined: 20 Jan 2003 Location: Dave's ESL Cafe

I was in a hotel in the US recently and saw some Obama campaign people. There was one wering an airbrushed Obama shirt (like you'd find at the redneck county fair) arguing about having to pay full price for the room. He was like "We the Obama people, man! We sposed to get a discount, ain't we?"

Absolute uneducated filth. All of them were like that. No clue about the issues, just happy to hear someone make promises. One of them was this big thuggish dork with pants that showed his whole boxer short covered butt and a big gangsta rap cd cover looking Obama shirt. Some tatooed skank said "I like yo shirt" I was thinking 'I want to burn your shirt...while you are wearing it!!'

It was like one of those movies where all the freaks come out of the woodwork when the hero defeats the enemy. Like "The Time Machine" or "Stargate"

bucheon bum · Joined: 16 Jan 2003

eh well Obama's supporters are stereotypically college grad elitists. Go to any college campus and you'll find hardly any Hillary supporters but plenty of Obama fans.

Milwaukiedave · Joined: 02 Oct 2004 Location: Goseong

Mith,

I saw that article as well. The tactical errors began long before the campaign went into full swing.

You can add to the list:

1) Competing in and losing Iowa, which sucked up valuable resources and a dismal third place showing.

2) Not staying on message and allowing surrogates to create distractions

I'm sure there are other things you could add