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Adventurer



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PostPosted: Fri May 02, 2008 8:44 am    Post subject: A rebuttal to Shertzer's article.. Reply with quote

04-30-2008 15:54

Highly Unempirical and Propagandistic



By Basil Keilani

Recently, I read an opinion article, a ``hit piece" by Steve Schertzer from Boulder, Colorado, an English teacher who formally taught in Thailand. He made many claims about English teachers that are unfair.

He seems to state that English teachers in Korea are universally young, inexperienced and unqualified to teach in Korea.

Several of my friends have teaching certificates or years of teaching experience in South Korea. Some have master's degrees as well. Many of us are in our 30s and beyond. One should also consider that Korea often prefers to have younger teachers, because ageism is prevalent in this society.

I recall trying to help a former boss find a teacher, and she turned down a teacher from Texas who was certified in English, because he was in his 40s, showing that inexperienced certified teachers in their 40s are not in high demand in Korea.

That is not our fault as foreigners. At any rate, the author ignores the many qualified and/or experienced teachers in order to make his case. That is highly unempirical and propagandistic.

Schertzer states that we came to Korea to indoctrinate the youth in Korea as if there is some kind of conspiracy hatched in Ottawa, Washington, D.C., and London to brainwash the youth rather than a desire for teachers to earn money in an honest fashion, and in many cases to experience another culture and travel abroad.

I do not even know one foreign teacher who has encouraged someone to leave their boyfriend or husband. Nor, do I know anyone who has been giving out revolutionary material or worksheets on feminism.

We do share our cultural ideas as foreigners, but that is quite normal, just as Indians and Germans would share their ideas with Americans and Canadians as immigrants to either America or Canada.

He seems to be romanticizing Asian culture while putting Western culture down. He seems to suggest that that Koreans enjoy a higher quality of life than Westerners.

He only mentions one positive attribute from the West and that is Western medicine. He does not mention the invention of the telephone, the airplane, the fast train from France, the light bulb, rock 'n roll, jazz, cars, and the computer. Where would Korean society be without these things?

http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/opinon/2008/05/137_23381.html
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garykasparov



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PostPosted: Fri May 02, 2008 10:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote



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PostPosted: Fri May 02, 2008 3:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why bother with the rebuttal. What the guy needs is a huge kick in the butt, while we're at it how about some serious plastic surgery, man that's one mega ugly mug.
The poor guy certainly lost out in the genetic crap shoot.
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Benicio



Joined: 25 May 2006
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PostPosted: Fri May 02, 2008 6:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The guy is a serious mental case with a serious hate on for all waygook English teachers in Korea who are not him.
In many of his diatribes to the Korea Times he reckons himself the saviour of Korean society and English education while calling each and every one of us immoral, incompetent, immature, unqualified, etc.
He insults every one of us every time he writes one of these sh!te filled psycho rants.
Now, your points are quite valid and all of his rants against us can be easily deconstructed to show how he is wrong and is such a mental case that he should not be allowed to work with children.
However, he has a god complex as if he reigns supreme.
This is funny and sad because, though I have never met him, I know someone who has and he is a complete nobody with no friends and spends all his time at home writing crap to the Times.
The problem is that the newspaper keeps printing it. I guess there are some who enjoy his diatribes that say Korean culture is pure and we foreign teachers are all bad.
If I ever do meet him, let's just say it will be extremely hard to practice self-control.

*I am in my 30's and have an education degree with TEFL certification. There are lots of us here, so Steve is full of sh**!
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Eedoryeong



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PostPosted: Fri May 02, 2008 7:04 pm    Post subject: Re: A rebuttal to Shertzer's article.. Reply with quote

Adventurer wrote:
04-30-2008 15:54

Highly Unempirical and Propagandistic



By Basil Keilani

Recently, I read an opinion article, a ``hit piece" by Steve Schertzer from Boulder, Colorado, an English teacher who formally taught in Thailand. He made many claims about English teachers that are unfair.

....
We do share our cultural ideas as foreigners, but that is quite normal, just as Indians and Germans would share their ideas with Americans and Canadians as immigrants to either America or Canada.

He seems to be romanticizing Asian culture while putting Western culture down. He seems to suggest that that Koreans enjoy a higher quality of life than Westerners.

He only mentions one positive attribute from the West and that is Western medicine. He does not mention the invention of the telephone, the airplane, the fast train from France, the light bulb, rock 'n roll, jazz, cars, and the computer. Where would Korean society be without these things?

http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/opinon/2008/05/137_23381.html


that article bothered me a lot too, but I think if you want a meaningful rebuttal that he is (or his advocates are) going to pay attention to, I think that you need to keep some things clear.

I agree with you that you can't really teach language without teaching some degree of culture, especially going from English to Korean and back. There's so much loss of translation from Korean idioms to English ones that sometimes it just seems necessary. When I try translation I've become used to adding a fourth line so the grammatically correct English becomes the idiomatically familiar English. It seems even on just the level of history of expressions, there's so much ground to cover, how one thing - e.g. farming, or the way Westerners do laundry, or the fact that we see ourselves as individuals first, parts of a collective second - can create so many expressions, or influence our choices to using language differently (e.g. using 'could's or 'might's to avoid imperatives.)

But I didn't recall him romanticizing Asia in that article. I do remember that he was saying something like Koreans need to work it out for themselves, and for some things they do. That's just a principle of diversity, which some people struggle with. While needing to overhaul much of their own problems in social engineering, they needn't necessarily inherit ours. They can find their own way. That's what I got from it anyway. That's not the same as romanticizing Asia.

And on your point about the importance of western inventions, I don't see how that's related to his accusations of how we teach language. I think this point compromises your rebuttal the most.

If you want to make a rebuttal that will rally friends and give serious food for thought, you should stick with the themes that language and culture are very difficult to separate (and the wisdom of trying is dubious at best - a point he did genuinely seem to miss) and reconsider the other suggestions.
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PostPosted: Fri May 02, 2008 7:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
The guy is a serious mental case with a serious hate on for all waygook English teachers in Korea who are not him.


I agree. This is about some mental health issues that aren't being addressed. Nice try, though, by Mr. Kelani. At least he sounds like an intelligent person. Shame his words are wasted on Schertzer.
Logic means nothing to a nut. Rolling Eyes
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Benicio



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PostPosted: Fri May 02, 2008 7:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good on the guy for getting his rebuttal into the paper.

I think it was a little off topic going in the western inventions thing. I see what you're trying to say, though.

One very good point is the blaming of foreign teachers for something that should be squarely on the shoulders of the hagwon bosses and administrators in the education industry. Aren't they the ones who are more to blame creating this environment? Of course, they are more than happy to pass the buck and let the media and certain groups in society- the Korean Teachers Union- continue blaming "low quality foreign teachers" for the way things are!

The writer gave a great example of hagwon directors/administrators not at all being interested in hiring "qualified" teachers. They are far more interested in hiring teachers that will attract students and mothers to enroll their kids.
That means: young, good looking, charismatic, entertaining.
4 things that Steve "severely creeps me out" Schertzer most definitely is not!!!
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ryouga013



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PostPosted: Fri May 02, 2008 8:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A rebuttal to Shertzer's article...

YOU ARE WHAT YOU PREACH

was that a good enough rebuttal?
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ytuque



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PostPosted: Sat May 03, 2008 5:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shertzer just doesn't look right to me. Perhaps, it's those soulless eyes?
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Thwartley



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PostPosted: Sat May 03, 2008 5:49 am    Post subject: Re: A rebuttal to Shertzer's article.. Reply with quote

Adventurer wrote:
04-30-2008 15:54

Highly Unempirical and Propagandistic



By Basil Keilani

Recently, I read an opinion article, a ``hit piece" by Steve Schertzer from Boulder, Colorado, an English teacher who formally taught in Thailand. He made many claims about English teachers that are unfair.



Formerly? Smile

Or maybe he wore a tux to school everyday.
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ED209



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PostPosted: Sat May 03, 2008 9:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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cheeseface



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PostPosted: Sat May 03, 2008 11:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Great rebuttal I hope the peodo looking dude gets funked.
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garykasparov



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PostPosted: Sun May 04, 2008 6:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Has Schertzer's past activities been fully investigated by authorities?
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Hyeon Een



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PostPosted: Sun May 04, 2008 7:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ytuque wrote:
Shertzer just doesn't look right to me. Perhaps, it's those soulless eyes?


Dude, it's seoulless. Get with the program. Seoul Soul. And Soul Seoul. Soul of Seoul of Seoul of Seoul. Assa. And Seoul: Schwertzer's got none.
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blaseblasphemener



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Location: There's a voice, keeps on calling me, down the road, that's where I'll always be

PostPosted: Sun May 04, 2008 7:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You don't have to worry about Steve anymore. I heard he was arrested in Austria. Something about a cellar...
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