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Have you taught or do you plan to teach outside of Korea?
Nope, it's Korea or die, baby!
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I've taught elsewhere, but Korea is my last ESL stop.
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Korea is my first, but I plan to teach elsewhere.
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I've taught elsewhere, and I plan to do so again.
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I walk the earth like Caine in "Kung-Fu"!
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J.B. Clamence



Joined: 15 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Sat Nov 15, 2003 12:58 am    Post subject: ESL outside of Korea? Reply with quote

When I taught ESL in Europe, most teachers I met in the same country and in other European countries either had taught ESL in another country before ending up where they were, or at least had the intention of continuing their ESL teaching in another country after they left. And in many cases, it was both.

So it was a bit of surprise for me when I noticed that it seems like the majority of teachers here in Korea don't seem to think about teaching elsewhere. For the vast majority of those I've met here, the choice of domicile is either Korea or back home -- no in-between.

Why is that? For those of you who have a mind to leave Korea, but don't want to go home, have you considered moving on to another ESL destination? If not, why not? I'm not being judgemental, I just thought it was an interesting difference between ESL here in Korea and elsewhere. Has anyone else noticed this? Is Korea really such a paradise that there's no other country you want to try out? I understand that a lot of teachers here have grown roots, but teachers in other countries grow roots too, but they still seem to keep moving regardless. How can this difference be explained? Or maybe it's not true that most teachers here limit themselves to Korea. I dunno. Any comments would be welcome.
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canuckistan
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Joined: 17 Jun 2003
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 15, 2003 1:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pretty big ESL industry in Quebec!
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schwa



Joined: 18 Jan 2003
Location: Yap

PostPosted: Sat Nov 15, 2003 7:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe theres more of a mindset of doing an esl tour in Europe.
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crazylemongirl



Joined: 23 Mar 2003
Location: almost there...

PostPosted: Sat Nov 15, 2003 7:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If I miss out on a tutorship at grad school I'm hoping I maybe able to pick up some work in this industry.

But I will probably only teach in korea, where I can put my very expensive education degree to use.

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Howard Roark



Joined: 02 Feb 2003
Location: Canada

PostPosted: Sun Nov 16, 2003 6:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

For me, and most non-UK citizens, it's simple. We can't really teach in Europe because you usually need an EU passport to get a visa. So that leaves South America - no money there, and mainly Asia. Within Asia, I think Korea is a pretty good deal, especially with the housing and airfare thrown in. It's just the obvious choice.
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Tiger Beer



Joined: 07 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Sun Nov 16, 2003 6:27 pm    Post subject: Re: ESL outside of Korea? Reply with quote

J.B. Clamence wrote:
Is Korea really such a paradise that there's no other country you want to try out? I understand that a lot of teachers here have grown roots, but teachers in other countries grow roots too, but they still seem to keep moving regardless. How can this difference be explained? Or maybe it's not true that most teachers here limit themselves to Korea. I dunno. Any comments would be welcome.

What Howard Roark says has a lot of validity.

But actually, people in Korea do bounce around as well. I know quite a few that have. I think Japan is the country where more people tend to go once and just stick around.

Each country attracts a totally different kind of person on every kind of level. It just happens that Korea attracts various people for various reasons.. but most often its because they want savings as well for future plans or to pay off past debts.

I've done a lot of country hopping as well.. and many who are here do as well.. but quite a few ultimately come back here for various reasons.. but one beiing that we find it the best combination for very good pay, quick-to-secure jobs and all the rest.

Also, each country is drastically different. Being in Brazil however you'd meet almost no one who'd come from Korea or northeast Asia. You'd meet more hardcore traveler types that kind of fell into or other various things. Hard to say and hard to categorize.

But the Korea/Japan/Taiwan realm is one world.. and the Southeast Asia is another realm.. and Latin America.. etc.. all kind of different worlds attracting differnet kinds of people.
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CaptPorridge



Joined: 17 Oct 2003
Location: Saudi Arabia

PostPosted: Sun Nov 16, 2003 6:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I spent 2 years in japan, and it was a great experience.

It was only the scenes on TV of the World Cup celebrations here that made me come.

Money wise, I was earning roughly the same. The cost of living in Japan, especially in the major cities is of course much more. Japan isn't a country many people backpack around.

Language -- I actually found Japanese easier to get a grip on,
I'm still struggling with the vowel sounds here.
The Japanese writing system is about a million times more complicate than Hangul, but I found the Chinese Characters really interesting, once the shock of a 10,000,000 character alphabet wore off

Japanese has no difficult vowels for us foreigners.

I was living in a major city in Japan, and in Korea a town of 70,000 people,
so the experience has of course been much much different,

In conclusion....I can eat Korean food everyday, I can't say the same for Japanese food.
But Porridge is Porridge wherever you go,
especially if you shop at www.porridgedeliveredtoyourdoor.com
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Tiger Beer



Joined: 07 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Mon Nov 17, 2003 2:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

CaptPorridge wrote:
I spent 2 years in japan, and it was a great experience.

It was only the scenes on TV of the World Cup celebrations here that made me come.

Came to Korea or Japan? What scenes did you see that inspired you the most?
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CaptPorridge



Joined: 17 Oct 2003
Location: Saudi Arabia

PostPosted: Mon Nov 17, 2003 3:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was in Japan for the world cup, the greatest day of my life was supposed to be the day Japan defeated Turkey.
I took the day off work ( I had a cold) and went to Osaka Dome (indoor baseball stadium)
Free entry and a giant TV screen was hung from the roof.
12,000 people there all drinking up and getting excited...it was to be the greatest night of my life,,,,,chicks everywhere!! and then Japan lost,

I didn't care, but oh man everyone else was suicidal! the most depressed bunch of people I have ever seen, Scoring opportunites zero.

On tv that night all those scenes of red shirts on the streets of Seoul!
God told me I was in the wrong country!! so here I am!!
Plus my sister adopted a Korean baby, I love travelling, Japanese chicks are nutz and sushi sux.
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Tiger Beer



Joined: 07 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Mon Nov 17, 2003 4:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

CaptPorridge wrote:
On tv that night all those scenes of red shirts on the streets of Seoul!
God told me I was in the wrong country!! so here I am!!
Plus my sister adopted a Korean baby, I love travelling, Japanese chicks are nutz and sushi sux.

How are Japanese chicks nuts? Just curious..

Pretty cool story.. what was impressive about the streets of Seoul at that time?
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CaptPorridge



Joined: 17 Oct 2003
Location: Saudi Arabia

PostPosted: Mon Nov 17, 2003 4:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tiger Beer wrote:

How are Japanese chicks nuts? Just curious..
Pretty cool story.. what was impressive about the streets of Seoul at that time?


Nah I left Japan with wonderful memories of the many friends I made.
I'm good at finding friends...terrible at finding girlfriends....guys and female friends the best, but for relationships I always end up with the nutters...then again I'm a little nutz too. So its possible an exgirlfriend or two is having a similar conversation right now at Keikoseslcafe.com about how nutz Aussie guys are.

What impressed me about Seoul during the World Cup???
WTF??? you didn't see the scenes of Millions on the streets all wearing red shirts and having the party of the Millenium???????
It was unbelievable!
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Tiger Beer



Joined: 07 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Mon Nov 17, 2003 4:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

CaptPorridge wrote:
What impressed me about Seoul during the World Cup???
WTF??? you didn't see the scenes of Millions on the streets all wearing red shirts and having the party of the Millenium???????
It was unbelievable!

Japan wasn't like that too? One thing for sure we have alot more spendable income to party with around here. My visits to Japan felt like an either blow a decent portion of my income or stay in for the night.. of course more often that not you have to choose to stay in for the night. Similar experience for you living there?

I can go out every night of the week in Seoul if I want and still have sizeable savings each month.
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CaptPorridge



Joined: 17 Oct 2003
Location: Saudi Arabia

PostPosted: Mon Nov 17, 2003 4:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Japan wasn't like that too? [/quote]

No where near the same scale, at least where I went, But lloking back I should have spent more time in Osaka, I was living in Kyoto -- nicer place to live imo but much quieter
Had some good nights out though, and a mate in Hokkaido had the best night of his life when Beckham beat Argentina (he scored 3 free tickets off his private student - bastard!)
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