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wanamin
Joined: 14 Apr 2008
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 Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 7:38 pm Post subject: Fighting back against the Mad Cow craziness |
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| I work at a High School, so I find myself consistently debating students regarding the safety of American beef. We know that 3 Americans out of millions contracted vCJD... and that not a single Korean-American contracted it. (Korean students tell me that 'America DNA can't get mad cow disease'...) I've looked but I can't find, figures on Korean foodborne illness rates. With all the raw seafood restaurants, dirty samgyeopsal places, Bojeongmachas serving raw octopus, etc, I would assume that the chances of a Korean dying from eating at one of these establishments would be astronomically higher than the 3/300,000,000 (.000000001%) chance one has of contracting vCJD from American beef. I just want some stats to back me up.... |
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ulsanchris
Joined: 19 Jun 2003
Location: take a wild guess
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| Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 7:43 pm Post subject: |
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| digital chosun ilbo has several articles about this. go there. |
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blaseblasphemener
Joined: 01 Jun 2006
Location: There's a voice, keeps on calling me, down the road, that's where I'll always be
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| Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 7:47 pm Post subject: |
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| don't debate koreans on current events. you know much better than they do, but they are not interested in that. keep to safe topics. |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 7:48 pm Post subject: |
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| Ask them to look up E coli and Salmonella for homework... see if they can figure out which is more common. |
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poet13
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
Location: Just over there....throwing lemons.
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| Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 8:06 pm Post subject: |
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| If you're doing it strictly to practise English, have at it. But, if you're trying to convince them of something, forget it unless it fits their myopic ethnocentrisms, and doesn't screw with their vision of Korea being better in all ways than other place in the world. |
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Lekker
Joined: 09 Feb 2008
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 8:25 pm Post subject: |
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| I think pork is quite possibly the most vile meat you can eat, especially when it has been fried, yet people love to eat pork here. |
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Grab the Chickens Levi
Joined: 29 Apr 2008
Location: Ilsan
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| Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 8:26 pm Post subject: |
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| poet13 wrote: |
| If you're doing it strictly to practise English, have at it. But, if you're trying to convince them of something, forget it unless it fits their myopic ethnocentrisms, and doesn't screw with their vision of Korea being better in all ways than other place in the world. |
Exactly, you're butting your head against a deaf and blind brick wall.
Me in adult 1 on 1 class. 'So today I thought we could discuss the issue of homosexuality.'
Adjoishi. 'But there isn't any homosexuality in Korea it is western disease.'
Me. Well I've been to Itaewon and seen many gay bars and transvestite / transexual bars with gay koreans in them.
Adjoishi. (Actually banged his fist down HARD on the table, went red faced and said STRONGLY) 'NO! Not in Korea! They are Japanese! Send them all to Japan! Another topic now please!'
Me. (to myself) 'Holy *beep*.' |
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jdog2050
Joined: 17 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 8:55 pm Post subject: |
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| Grab the Chickens Levi wrote: |
| poet13 wrote: |
| If you're doing it strictly to practise English, have at it. But, if you're trying to convince them of something, forget it unless it fits their myopic ethnocentrisms, and doesn't screw with their vision of Korea being better in all ways than other place in the world. |
Exactly, you're butting your head against a deaf and blind brick wall.
Me in adult 1 on 1 class. 'So today I thought we could discuss the issue of homosexuality.'
Adjoishi. 'But there isn't any homosexuality in Korea it is western disease.'
Me. Well I've been to Itaewon and seen many gay bars and transvestite / transexual bars with gay koreans in them.
Adjoishi. (Actually banged his fist down HARD on the table, went red faced and said STRONGLY) 'NO! Not in Korea! They are Japanese! Send them all to Japan! Another topic now please!'
Me. (to myself) 'Holy *beep*.' |
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Css
Joined: 27 Sep 2004
Location: South of the river
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| Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 8:59 pm Post subject: |
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| The problem is that its probably significantly more than 3 americans who have the disease, it just hasnt shown up yet...Just like the situation in the UK...So you wont be able to win an argument along those lines. |
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Grab the Chickens Levi
Joined: 29 Apr 2008
Location: Ilsan
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| Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 9:05 pm Post subject: |
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| jdog2050 wrote: |
| Grab the Chickens Levi wrote: |
| poet13 wrote: |
| If you're doing it strictly to practise English, have at it. But, if you're trying to convince them of something, forget it unless it fits their myopic ethnocentrisms, and doesn't screw with their vision of Korea being better in all ways than other place in the world. |
Exactly, you're butting your head against a deaf and blind brick wall.
Me in adult 1 on 1 class. 'So today I thought we could discuss the issue of homosexuality.'
Adjoishi. 'But there isn't any homosexuality in Korea it is western disease.'
Me. Well I've been to Itaewon and seen many gay bars and transvestite / transexual bars with gay koreans in them.
Adjoishi. (Actually banged his fist down HARD on the table, went red faced and said STRONGLY) 'NO! Not in Korea! They are Japanese! Send them all to Japan! Another topic now please!'
Me. (to myself) 'Holy *beep*.' |
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What does you laughing pear pic actually mean? Ps, my story was true and the conversation verbatim. |
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wanamin
Joined: 14 Apr 2008
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| Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 9:07 pm Post subject: |
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| Css wrote: |
| The problem is that its probably significantly more than 3 americans who have the disease, it just hasnt shown up yet...Just like the situation in the UK...So you wont be able to win an argument along those lines. |
Even if the number was 10 times the number reported... ie 30 the problem is still very minor. And from what I've read on wikipedia, the expected number of new cases is expected to be 'fractionally greater', i.e. less than 100% of previous cases or no more than 3.
In addition the UK had over 180,000 cases of BSE (the disease cows get that gives humans who eat their flesh vCJD) In the US there were 3 cases of BSE. |
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Pligganease
Joined: 14 Sep 2004
Location: The deep south...
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| Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 9:14 pm Post subject: |
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Discussing food-borne illness is silly when talking about Mad Cow/vCJD.
Food poisoning can happen anywhere with even the safest of ingredients. HACCP is a fairly new concept in Korea, and it is both hilarious and frightening to me every time I walk by a street market with meat hanging on hooks outside or a kimbab shop with tuna and mayonnaise sitting out at room temperature.
There is no doubt that the food-borne illness statistics for Korea would be astronomical.
However, trying to explain that to a raving mad lunatic that believes in fan death is an impossible task. |
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Mr. BlackCat
Joined: 30 Nov 2005
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| Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 9:30 pm Post subject: |
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There is no doubt that the food-borne illness statistics for Korea would be astronomical.
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They don't have food-borne illnesses in Korea. They have fan death. The same with alcohol-poisoning and suicide.
Sadly, I'm serious.  |
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wanamin
Joined: 14 Apr 2008
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| Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 10:07 pm Post subject: |
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| My students are special. They have reason. They (mostly) don't believe in fan death... I've been here for 14 months and I haven't given up hope!!! |
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Chris Kwon
Joined: 23 Jan 2008
Location: North Korea
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| Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 10:14 pm Post subject: |
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| Grab the Chickens Levi wrote: |
| poet13 wrote: |
| If you're doing it strictly to practise English, have at it. But, if you're trying to convince them of something, forget it unless it fits their myopic ethnocentrisms, and doesn't screw with their vision of Korea being better in all ways than other place in the world. |
Exactly, you're butting your head against a deaf and blind brick wall.
Me in adult 1 on 1 class. 'So today I thought we could discuss the issue of homosexuality.'
Adjoishi. 'But there isn't any homosexuality in Korea it is western disease.'
Me. Well I've been to Itaewon and seen many gay bars and transvestite / transexual bars with gay koreans in them.
Adjoishi. (Actually banged his fist down HARD on the table, went red faced and said STRONGLY) 'NO! Not in Korea! They are Japanese! Send them all to Japan! Another topic now please!'
Me. (to myself) 'Holy *beep*.' |
Why do some people seriously act like that? I don't get it.
How can people be that stupid in 2008 |
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