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oh man Japan is so much better
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joe_doufu



Joined: 09 May 2005
Location: Elsewhere

PostPosted: Thu Jan 05, 2006 9:39 pm    Post subject: oh man Japan is so much better Reply with quote

Wow, what am I even doing in this lousy country? It's just grey and depressing compared to Japan. (I just returned from my first 1-week trip to Japan.) Oh, and the weather is nicer there, too. My next job will be in China so I don't know if I'll ever get a chance to live in Japan, but now it's on my list.
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mindmetoo



Joined: 02 Feb 2004

PostPosted: Thu Jan 05, 2006 10:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Were people spittin' lung butter on subway stairs in Japan? My walk to the subway amounts to a frozen vomit and lung butter slalom in the winter.
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Tiger Beer



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 06, 2006 12:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

why china if u like japan?
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mindmetoo



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 06, 2006 2:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tiger Beer wrote:
why china if u like japan?


Yeah I can only see China as having all the disadvantages of Korea but hepped up 5x and none of the benefits save for it might look good on a resume. You got more pollution. More people horking all over the streets. More people pushing and shoving. And if you think Koreans are arrogant, self-centered people who think every single aspect of Korean culture is exactly the way God deemed it, just imagine what the Chinese are going to be like in the coming years.

A friend was studying international relations in Shanghai and he nearly lost his lunch when a Chinese textbook quipped something about "in matters of international relations, China always gets its way."
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joe_doufu



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 06, 2006 5:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think Korea is worse than China. China is nice because I speak Chinese fairly well so I make a lot of friends, have satisfying relationships (if you know what I mean) and I think I can get a great non-teaching job there... though it hasn't happened yet. Japan is to me like Europe, an interesting rich country, but not so much of a challenge/opportunity as China.
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laogaiguk



Joined: 06 Dec 2005
Location: somewhere in Korea

PostPosted: Fri Jan 06, 2006 5:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

joe_doufu wrote:
I think Korea is worse than China. China is nice because I speak Chinese fairly well so I make a lot of friends, have satisfying relationships (if you know what I mean) and I think I can get a great non-teaching job there... though it hasn't happened yet. Japan is to me like Europe, an interesting rich country, but not so much of a challenge/opportunity as China.


I agree. It's amazing how much better a country is when you can talk to most of it's population, a fact that is lost on a lot of expats.
I loved China (only stayed a year, but I will go back) and am continuing my Chinese studying here.
Japan is totally different, like joe_doufu said, not even close to the challenge of China. I like them both and they both have good qualities.
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SarcasmKills



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 06, 2006 8:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The thing is Joe, you were only in Japan for a week.. I'm sure you had warm, cozy feelings about Korea too when you first got here..
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bucheon bum



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 06, 2006 11:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I sure as hell didn't have warm, cozy feelings about Korea when I arrived.
No, I was pretty negative towards Korea for the first 3 months or so I was there.
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mindmetoo



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 06, 2006 4:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SarcasmKills wrote:
The thing is Joe, you were only in Japan for a week.. I'm sure you had warm, cozy feelings about Korea too when you first got here..


I had a very warm cozy feeling the two times I was a tourist. I think brain chemistry makes us like places we know we can leave in a week or two but makes us come to hate the places we're going to live in long term.

Short term: I love this place. I'm going to stay here long enough to get many females pregnant and ensure my genetic line and then move on some place else.

Long term: I hate living here! I've gotten enough females pregnant. I need to find new and interesting places where I can create hybrids.
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rapier



Joined: 16 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Fri Jan 06, 2006 9:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

joe_doufu wrote:
China is nice because I speak Chinese fairly well so I make a lot of friends


You got it right there. Do you speak Korean well? will make a big difference to life here.
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joe_doufu



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 06, 2006 9:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SarcasmKills wrote:
The thing is Joe, you were only in Japan for a week.. I'm sure you had warm, cozy feelings about Korea too when you first got here..


No, I liked Korea for about an hour... when I went jogging around my new apartment in the early morning (I arrived near midnight). After that, I began interacting with Koreans...
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 07, 2006 4:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

But..good question Joe..do you speak Korean as well as you do Chinese?

If not..bad comparison my man.

As for Japan being inherently better...that is a personal preference indeed and no one can dispute that...unless you consider that

a) You were in Japan for about a week.

b) You were on vacation

c) You were not living or working there..just passing through.


All of this means that you got a very different view of Japan than you have a Korea.

Not saying you are wrong to pass a judgement as Japan being "better", just that you should perhaps consider the situations you are comparing.
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joe_doufu



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 07, 2006 7:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes. I considered them. Japan is better!
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bosintang



Joined: 01 Dec 2003
Location: In the pot with the rest of the mutts

PostPosted: Sat Jan 07, 2006 10:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Your first impressions count for a lot.

You may need to spend a lot of time in a country, learn to speak at least some of the language, learn the customs and interact with a variety of people to get a deeper understanding of a country, but you don't have to go through all of that to know whether you want to or not.
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fatpat



Joined: 05 Oct 2005
Location: The bright lights of Namchang

PostPosted: Sun Jan 08, 2006 12:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree Japan is much better than Korea for a number of reasons and some I can't quite put my finger on. My observations and feelings are that Japanese people seem way cooler than Korean's, they have more style and are more individual. The streets are not full of mess and rubbish (this isn't just a problem in Korea though and I think Japan is quite unique for this). People don't stare/point at you/giggle at you/say hi, nice to meet you etc. for being a foriegner, they just ignore you. The food is better. The temples and palaces are better. The nightlife is better. They can admit things, like the fact that they are perverts and not just try and pretend it doesn't exist or lie about it like many Korean's do. The culture seems more interesting to me. They don't spit (although China has to be the biggest offender when it comes to this subject!). I wish I had gone to Japan rather than Korea to teach but the money was calling. Since being in Korea I have had 2 holidays in Japan so I guess, like other's have pointed out it could just be I was happy to be on holiday but actually I doubt it. Korea aint all that bad though before somebody accuses me of bashing it and tells me to go home. I do like being here, it certainly keeps me entertained and has helped my bank balance.
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