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Keepongoing



Joined: 13 Feb 2003
Location: Korea

PostPosted: Thu May 31, 2007 1:53 pm    Post subject: Can you go home again? Reply with quote

Thomas Wolfe" wrote a book called "You Can't Go Home Again"



What about you? When you go back home is everything the same? Do your friends relate with you? Have your perspective changed so much that things will never be the same again???


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Dev



Joined: 18 Apr 2006

PostPosted: Thu May 31, 2007 3:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have two answers for this, one positive and one negative.

Negative: You can, but it's very difficult. If you've spent over 5 years out here, the companies back home treat you like an immigrant. Your overseas work experience doesn't count. They only consider domestic work experience (well, unless you're working for an international company). Tough. Might take you 2-3 years of grunt work to get re-established back home.

Positive: A buddy of mine said something like "The water of the stream always changes" meaning that home will be inevitably a new and fresh experience. That means exciting too as opposed to same old, same old.
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faster



Joined: 03 Sep 2006

PostPosted: Thu May 31, 2007 3:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dev wrote:
Positive: A buddy of mine said something like "The water of the stream always changes"


Dude! You're friends with Heraclitus!?!?!?
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Yu_Bum_suk



Joined: 25 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Thu May 31, 2007 4:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was a bit worried about this when I went home for a month last summer. I actually felt quite comfortable back in Canada, impressed by how clean and calm it was, how unbelievably polite the drivers were, and how at ease Canadians were around each other in social situations, especially when meeting people for the first time (it was my sister's wedding so there were lots of introductions. I even got told off by my sister for bowing instinctively to her new in-laws.

However, after a month I was right bored of the place and happy to get back here. Canada's a great place to visit but I don't think I'd ever want to live there again.
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newintown



Joined: 01 Jan 2007

PostPosted: Thu May 31, 2007 4:33 pm    Post subject: Re: Can you go home again? Reply with quote

Keepongoing wrote:
Michael Greene wrote a book called "You Can't Go Home Again"

It was about a person being away and experiencing so many lifestyle changes that he really was not the same person as when he left. People couldn't relate to him anymore.

What about you? When you go back home is everything the same? Do your friends relate with you? Have your perspective changed so much that things will never be the same again???


i don't know about others, but i am yet to experience real culture shock in korea. i can see the problems in returning home if you'd spent time in a developing country, or somewhere so far removed from what you've been used to. i love it here, but am also looking forward to going back to blighty. then again, i have only been her 6 months, so this could all change.
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ajgeddes



Joined: 28 Apr 2004
Location: Yongsan

PostPosted: Thu May 31, 2007 4:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have an easy time relating to my friends at home. Most of my friends have travelled around the world and both my two best friends aren't married to Canadians, nor to they live in Canada anymore. We have mostly all went off and done something different. When I see them we talk about our stories and it is fun to see what has happened to everybody else after they left our town.

Other than that, I feel the same as YBS except for that I don't think home would be as boring if you were working a full-time job. I am pretty sure I would be bored here too if I were here for a month not working.
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kimchi_pizza



Joined: 24 Jul 2006
Location: "Get back on the bus! Here it comes!"

PostPosted: Thu May 31, 2007 4:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yea, it's kinda tough going back home after living and teaching overseas going on 6 years. I went through when I was in the service and again as a teacher.

Friends have moved on with families of their own and family members have visibly aged and gained weight. A lot of weight. It was also hard to share stories when there isn't anything they or I could personally relate to. My family didn't even seem interested in any of my oversea's experiences as they didn't ask a single question except, "When are you staying home?"

How do you look your mother in the eye and tell her there's a good chance you may never live there permanently? That you're perfectly happy where you are now. Then with every phone conversation later you can hear the hopes in her voice that you'll return and the sadness in her tone when you say, "I'm staying another year".

Yea, it's tough. But you land where the winds sweep you. They swept my grandfathers from all over Europe to the States. They swept my mother from Montana to Ohio (which might as well've been another country) and the winds swept me here. Going against the winds is tough even if it means going back home.
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blaseblasphemener



Joined: 01 Jun 2006
Location: There's a voice, keeps on calling me, down the road, that's where I'll always be

PostPosted: Thu May 31, 2007 5:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

kimchi_pizza wrote:
Yea, it's kinda tough going back home after living and teaching overseas going on 6 years. I went through when I was in the service and again as a teacher.

Friends have moved on with families of their own and family members have visibly aged and gained weight. A lot of weight. It was also hard to share stories when there isn't anything they or I could personally relate to. My family didn't even seem interested in any of my oversea's experiences as they didn't ask a single question except, "When are you staying home?"

How do you look your mother in the eye and tell her there's a good chance you may never live there permanently? That you're perfectly happy where you are now. Then with every phone conversation later you can hear the hopes in her voice that you'll return and the sadness in her tone when you say, "I'm staying another year".

Yea, it's tough. But you land where the winds sweep you. They swept my grandfathers from all over Europe to the States. They swept my mother from Montana to Ohio (which might as well've been another country) and the winds swept me here. Going against the winds is tough even if it means going back home.


I like how you put it.
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yingwenlaoshi



Joined: 12 Feb 2007
Location: ... location, location!

PostPosted: Thu May 31, 2007 5:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am the wind. Where I go, I've already been.
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crazylemongirl



Joined: 23 Mar 2003
Location: almost there...

PostPosted: Thu May 31, 2007 5:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've been back home for about 2 months after four years away. I left for Korea pretty much straight after graduation.

I've found it very hard to relate to most of my varsity friends who are all going down the hatching, matching and buying a house path whereas I'm not really ready to settle down yet so I find myself very removed from society at the moment. As luck would have it, I live just up the road from our mini 'korea town' so I've gone into the restaurants a couple of times to enjoy the food, speak Korean and more importantly be around people who can relate to my experiences.

As for employment YBS said, it's a mixed bag.

I want to work in government as a policy analyst so my job search has taken a while due to long hiring processes in the government sector, particularly at entry/graduate level.

Some places see my overseas experience as being completely irrelevant at best or at worst a disadvantage as I've been 'out of the loop' for a few years. However some places have seen my time in Korea as a real asset.

I'm down to the final interview for one government ministry that typically gets 3-400 applicants for a dozen positions because I was able to demonstrate that my Korean experience would add value to their organization and also got an offer to work in the embassy of another Asian country because I have strong inter-cultural skills.
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Mosley



Joined: 15 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Thu May 31, 2007 6:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just remember this when you go back home: When a friend or relative(who's never been to Asia) says "I'd love to see all your pictures!" what they really mean is "I'd like to see no more than a dozen."
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Alyallen



Joined: 29 Mar 2004
Location: The 4th Greatest Place on Earth = Jeonju!!!

PostPosted: Thu May 31, 2007 7:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My family moved to the United States, so they understand what it's like to move away and then return to the home country and see how things have changed. I don't get pressured to come home any sooner than I want to because they see the value in what I did.

My friends are people who were willing to keep in touch and aren't afraid to see more than a dozen pictures of my travels. Wink

Plus it helps to have a boyfriend who is experiencing the "foreigner life" in your home country. I think it gives me a more unvarnished view of my country, so I guess in a way I have a realistic expectation of what awaits me when I get there....

I think going home hits people hardest when they think home will be the same...
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Qinella



Joined: 25 Feb 2005
Location: the crib

PostPosted: Thu May 31, 2007 7:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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What about you? When you go back home is everything the same? Do your friends relate with you? Have your perspective changed so much that things will never be the same again???


The hardest part about relating to my friends and family is that most of them are not well educated. The only exception would be my brother, who blows me away in just about all categories. So, he and I can sit down and have an intelligent discussion about metaphysical topics, but with anyone else I know it's like I'm talking to a 4th grader. They lack the vocabulary to clearly explain their opinions, they are unable to grasp logical sequences, they don't really know about anything.. this leaves the only topics of conversation to be events happening in the lives of people we know. What he said, what I did, what I should've done, a funny movie I saw..

That's really the most frustrating thing for me about going home. In Korea, yeah, I meet a lot of dunderheads, but I also meet a lot of very knowledgeable people who can talk circles around me in literature, religion, linguistics, or some other topic that I find immensely enjoyable.

The job thing is not an issue. I left in good standing with the bank where I previously worked, and I'm sure I'd be able to get back in easily. But, ugh..

crazylemongirl wrote:
I was able to demonstrate that my Korean experience would add value to their organization


That's what it's all about, right there. If you can't sell yourself, you're only worth what someone offers for ya.


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Yu_Bum_suk



Joined: 25 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Thu May 31, 2007 7:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ajgeddes wrote:
I have an easy time relating to my friends at home. Most of my friends have travelled around the world and both my two best friends aren't married to Canadians, nor to they live in Canada anymore. We have mostly all went off and done something different. When I see them we talk about our stories and it is fun to see what has happened to everybody else after they left our town.

Other than that, I feel the same as YBS except for that I don't think home would be as boring if you were working a full-time job. I am pretty sure I would be bored here too if I were here for a month not working.


I guess that's the one problem about your main friends being your friends from when you were a teenager (or younger). Even friends who've been involved in education back home have little in common with me. I have one friend who worked in Korea for half a year and has a Korean wife and we have no trouble relating. But as for homes, kids, mortgages, cars and the like I have no interest. If little kids are around they pretty much dominate everything, and I have little desire to be there. Even if I had a fairly nice, full-time job I just can't see myself suited to the lifestyle. As a foreigner teaching in Asia one's still in a wild west frontier and that's the way I love it.
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yingwenlaoshi



Joined: 12 Feb 2007
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PostPosted: Thu May 31, 2007 7:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Depends on the friends, but I think that nowadays people are much more family oriented and stick close to the family and socialize ouside that immediate circle very little. They're too busy and put a lot of focus on their kids. Parents are keeping their eyes on their children much more.

Depends on the level of redneckness. Then again, your redneck friends might have an even harder time fathoming going to Asia.
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