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Coming this fall, NO MORE DEGREES needed for E2s
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chronicpride



Joined: 16 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Fri May 09, 2008 4:40 am    Post subject: Coming this fall, NO MORE DEGREES needed for E2s Reply with quote

Looks like they are more concerned about the criminal record and medical checks, as the degree/transcript requirement is going to be phased out: Coming this fall to the E2 process, �no degree=no problem�

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nomad-ish



Joined: 08 Oct 2007
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PostPosted: Fri May 09, 2008 7:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

god i hope this doesn't happen.
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Bryan



Joined: 29 Oct 2007

PostPosted: Fri May 09, 2008 8:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's good news for me.

Here's the details, already discussed in depth below. They already allow this.

http://forums.eslcafe.com/korea/viewtopic.php?t=120909&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0
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Ukon



Joined: 29 Jan 2008

PostPosted: Fri May 09, 2008 10:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shocked
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jajdude



Joined: 18 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Fri May 09, 2008 12:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sounds like no big deal to me really. I've got a couple of degrees but don't value them highly. I've known people to do well without degrees, and in some countries for EFL they aren't needed for lots of jobs. Screw it, Korea has made it a pain in the ass as it is. They'll be moaning for teachers soon.
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kingplaya4



Joined: 14 May 2006

PostPosted: Fri May 09, 2008 12:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Personally could care less, but I think if it does get reduced down to high school graduates like that blog writer seems to think, I think the chance of riff raff getting in here increases. Anyone with an IQ in the average range could have gotten a degree from the College I went to, but they still would have needed at least a little maturity and sense of responsibility. If I remember correctly, around 40% of my incoming class failed or dropped out, and although a few students did it rightly to achieve larger life goals, most were irresponsible, burnouts, or simply immature. So, my point is pretty simple, being a college graduate doesn't guarantee much, but it's generally better to be one than not.

I suspect foreigners will get an even worse reputation than they already have (at this point mostly undeservedly) if standards are lowered. All a clean criminal check means is that they haven't been caught since they were a juvenille.
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Gwangjuboy



Joined: 08 Jul 2003
Location: England

PostPosted: Fri May 09, 2008 1:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Christ if this happens then I'm going start a business as a recruiter in my hometown! Echoing what the previous poster said; a university graduate doesn't always guarantee a decent applicant but if the standards are lowered then the proportion of idiots working in Korea is going to substantially increase. The degree requirement hasn't always been there either, but Korea was not as high profile back then. There is much more awareness of the opportunities to work in Korea now. In my opinion, a dumbing down of the E2 Visa requirements in this way would be a bad move.
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Gwangjuboy



Joined: 08 Jul 2003
Location: England

PostPosted: Fri May 09, 2008 1:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just read the Korean article that was refered to in the original galbijim article.


이와 함께 하반기부터 '원어민 영어보조교사' 학력 자격을 '학사학위 소지자'에서 '대학교 재학생'으로 확대하는 방안이 추진된다.

The a plan to allow current university students to teach here is just that; It a proposal that is being pushed but nothing is set in stone yet.

또 원어민 영어보조교사의 체류 자격이 '영어를 모국어로 하는 국민'에서 '영어를 공용어로 하는 국민'으로 완화돼 인도�필리핀 국민들도 원어민 보조교사로 고용할 수 있게 된다.

This part seems more definite though: Applicants from countries where English is the official language such as India and the Philippines will also be eligible to seek employment as an assistant teacher (public school teacher) .

http://news.chosun.com/site/data/html_dir/2008/04/29/2008042900110.html
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yingwenlaoshi



Joined: 12 Feb 2007
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PostPosted: Fri May 09, 2008 1:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Who cares?

They just let the kids all run rapid anyway.






Puck it.
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DCJames



Joined: 27 Jul 2006

PostPosted: Fri May 09, 2008 2:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Teaching English isn't rocket science.

ANYBODY can do it. The Korean government is realizing this.

They're also realizing the foreigner salaries for teaching English in Korea have been inflated compared to other countries.

This is just their attempt at lowering the cost of English Education by lowering the demand for Foreign English teachers.

It's a pretty smart move on their part.
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Gwangjuboy



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Location: England

PostPosted: Fri May 09, 2008 2:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DCJames wrote:
Teaching English isn't rocket science.

ANYBODY can do it.



If that's so why is it that so many university educated people can't do it properly? There are a littany of clasroom crashes on this board alone to last a lifetime. Seriously, I don't think it's an easy job. It's only an easy job if you don't care how shite people think you are at teaching, and there are quite a few like that in Korea.
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spliff



Joined: 19 Jan 2004
Location: Khon Kaen, Thailand

PostPosted: Fri May 09, 2008 3:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It'll never happen.
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inkoreaforgood



Joined: 15 Dec 2003
Location: Inchon

PostPosted: Fri May 09, 2008 3:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DCJames wrote:
Teaching English isn't rocket science.

ANYBODY can do it. The Korean government is realizing this.



Sure, anyone can "teach" English, that's why Koreans speak the language so well.

Gov't couldn't find its ass with a map and a flashlight, when it comes to either education OR English. The Korean Teachers Union is exactly the same. And judging from the abilites being displayed at the post secondary level, those who do manage to become somewhat fluent in English have some combination of luck, tenacity, and just plain stubbornness.

Anybody can teach English, but to do it well or in a useful way is beyond most people teaching it here in Korea.
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JongnoGuru



Joined: 25 May 2004
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PostPosted: Fri May 09, 2008 3:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DCJames wrote:
This is just their attempt at lowering the cost of English Education by lowering the demand for Foreign English teachers.

It's a pretty smart move on their part.

What am I missing? How would scrapping university-degree requirements lower the demand for foreign English teachers? Do you imagine that by flooding the market with Koreans' favourite stereotype of the "semi-literate, low-quality" English teacher, the government would dampen Koreans' unbridled zeal to study the language?

Perhaps, but don't you see the possibility of the opposite happening? Korea has a shrinking population. Flood the ESL market or designated sectors of it (say, hagwons and/or public schools) with people from India & the Philippines -- poor countries with big-ass English-speaking populations -- and eventually having one's personal foreign E-teacher/TOIEC trainer/pronunciation coach will be as de rigueur as charms & baubles on mobile phones. All the rage, every K-businessman & Gangnam tyke will want one.

Not that anything of the sort will ever happen, but I don't see how these proposed schemes would lower the demand for foreign English teachers.
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Ramen



Joined: 15 Apr 2008

PostPosted: Fri May 09, 2008 3:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Great! Laughing

This means my illiterate counsins will be able to come teach in Korea. Laughing Laughing
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