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SqueakyBuddha
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Location: CheongJu
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 Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 6:47 pm Post subject: Problem student. Punish the class? |
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I'm in a public girls high school and I have this one problem student. She won't listen or follow instructions and is disruptive for the entire class every class. I have tried talking to her, making her stand at the back of the class, putting her in the hall and giving her homework as punishment. Nothing works and her attitude is rubbing off on the rest of the class.
Today is our festival day. As usual this student didn't do her homework so I told her that she had to spend some time with me in the teachers room and would miss out on some of the fun. One of the Korean teachers then told her in Korean just to make sure she understood. The student was told to go get a pen and paper and come right back to the teachers room. Needless to say she didn't come back.
I have talked to two Korean teachers about this and they said the same thing, "Some students don't listen, it is not easy for the teacher." I've pushed them on what can be done to help get this studend to be a little less problematic but have been told in a round about way that I'm on my own.
I think if I come down on the entire class everytime she acts up and tell the class why I am being hard on them that peer pressure will kick in and keep her in line. I guess this is my question. Is it too much? I think the rest of the class will come down hard on her and I don't want to be cruel.
What do you think? |
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poet13
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
Location: Just over there....throwing lemons.
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| Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 6:52 pm Post subject: |
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I don't think it's too much. I thinmk the power of peer pressure in this (or any) country is enormous.
When I do it (not very often) I make very clear why the entire class is being punished. They will self police after being punished a few times. |
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Yu_Bum_suk
Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 6:55 pm Post subject: |
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I'd give it a try. Sometimes that can work. How often a week do you see each class? I also work in a girls HS and in three years I've never had one single student distinguish herself like that; yes, there are a few brats but they tend to take turns and don't go out of their way to make my life difficult. Then again I don't have to, and don't, give homework, outside some special classes. If there's only one who's constantly disturbing class I'd just leave her in the corridor on her knees each lesson at the point that she becomes a major disruption.
Have you spoken to her homeroom teacher and do you know if anyone's spoken to her parents recently of what her family situation's like? |
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kentucker4
Joined: 03 Sep 2007
Location: Georgia
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| Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 7:06 pm Post subject: |
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| Yu_Bum_suk wrote: |
I'd give it a try. Sometimes that can work. How often a week do you see each class? I also work in a girls HS and in three years I've never had one single student distinguish herself like that; yes, there are a few brats but they tend to take turns and don't go out of their way to make my life difficult. Then again I don't have to, and don't, give homework, outside some special classes. If there's only one who's constantly disturbing class I'd just leave her in the corridor on her knees each lesson at the point that she becomes a major disruption.
Have you spoken to her homeroom teacher and do you know if anyone's spoken to her parents recently of what her family situation's like? |
How the hell do you force a student to get down on their knees? None of them will do it for me unless I physically put them in that position. |
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poet13
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
Location: Just over there....throwing lemons.
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| Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 7:15 pm Post subject: |
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| kentucker4. They do not respect you or your authority because to them, you have never been a teacher. Yes, I've read some of your other posts. You might be popular, and your principal might love you, but the students, who are the only people who count, don't consider you a teacher. It would be like a taxi driver telling a student to get on his or her knees. They would laugh. |
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Hanson
Joined: 20 Oct 2004
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| Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 7:21 pm Post subject: |
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| kentucker4 wrote: |
| Yu_Bum_suk wrote: |
I'd give it a try. Sometimes that can work. How often a week do you see each class? I also work in a girls HS and in three years I've never had one single student distinguish herself like that; yes, there are a few brats but they tend to take turns and don't go out of their way to make my life difficult. Then again I don't have to, and don't, give homework, outside some special classes. If there's only one who's constantly disturbing class I'd just leave her in the corridor on her knees each lesson at the point that she becomes a major disruption.
Have you spoken to her homeroom teacher and do you know if anyone's spoken to her parents recently of what her family situation's like? |
How the hell do you force a student to get down on their knees? None of them will do it for me unless I physically put them in that position. |
If the students like you (as you say they do),
a) why would you be in the position of asking a student to get down on their knees?
b) why wouldn't they follow your commands?
Answer that, my friend, and you have your answer.
And now they want to accept furrin teachers without a BA?  |
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anyangoldboy
Joined: 28 Sep 2007
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| Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 7:25 pm Post subject: |
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| just send her out of the class each lesson at the beginning and tell her that she'll end up working as a coffee girl in Jeolla provience...worked for me...I even ended up paying her for her services when she went to work in Jeolla...Kidding...But the first part of my junk is what i would do...Just dont let her in the classroom...She dont want to learn so dont try... |
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Yu_Bum_suk
Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 8:33 pm Post subject: |
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| kentucker4 wrote: |
| Yu_Bum_suk wrote: |
I'd give it a try. Sometimes that can work. How often a week do you see each class? I also work in a girls HS and in three years I've never had one single student distinguish herself like that; yes, there are a few brats but they tend to take turns and don't go out of their way to make my life difficult. Then again I don't have to, and don't, give homework, outside some special classes. If there's only one who's constantly disturbing class I'd just leave her in the corridor on her knees each lesson at the point that she becomes a major disruption.
Have you spoken to her homeroom teacher and do you know if anyone's spoken to her parents recently of what her family situation's like? |
How the hell do you force a student to get down on their knees? None of them will do it for me unless I physically put them in that position. |
You point and offer as an alternative '교무실 가? 벌 원하십니까?'. |
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Easter Clark
Joined: 18 Nov 2007
Location: Hiding from Yie Eun-woong
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| Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 8:48 pm Post subject: |
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I hate to quote myself, but I thought it would be appropriate for this thread:
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"From now on, whenever private Pyle fucks up, I will not punish him. I will punish all of YOU, and the way I see it ladies, you owe me for one jelly donut!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IayHnA0cGuc
Maybe we should give our good students towels and bars of soap?  |
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mrsquirrel
Joined: 13 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 8:49 pm Post subject: |
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| Hanson wrote: |
| kentucker4 wrote: |
| Yu_Bum_suk wrote: |
I'd give it a try. Sometimes that can work. How often a week do you see each class? I also work in a girls HS and in three years I've never had one single student distinguish herself like that; yes, there are a few brats but they tend to take turns and don't go out of their way to make my life difficult. Then again I don't have to, and don't, give homework, outside some special classes. If there's only one who's constantly disturbing class I'd just leave her in the corridor on her knees each lesson at the point that she becomes a major disruption.
Have you spoken to her homeroom teacher and do you know if anyone's spoken to her parents recently of what her family situation's like? |
How the hell do you force a student to get down on their knees? None of them will do it for me unless I physically put them in that position. |
If the students like you (as you say they do),
a) why would you be in the position of asking a student to get down on their knees?
b) why wouldn't they follow your commands?
Answer that, my friend, and you have your answer.
And now they want to accept furrin teachers without a BA? |
Well he could try to conversate with them. They might listen to him then. |
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crusher_of_heads
Joined: 23 Feb 2007
Location: kimbop and kimchi for kimberly!!!!
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| Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 8:53 pm Post subject: |
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| Go ahead and be cruel-I found out back in Canada that mercy is usually despised. |
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cdninkorea
Joined: 27 Jan 2006
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 8:59 pm Post subject: |
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| I'm against collective punishment because I think it's wrong to punish innocent people. That being said, I don't know what to suggest. |
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mrsquirrel
Joined: 13 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 9:08 pm Post subject: |
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You aren't going to reach her. If the Koreans can't reign her in then you aren't going to be able to.
There are a few girls at my school who just don't care. The teachers try but they don't care. They are in their final year and know they are out at the end of it.
Korean teachers claim they have a bad home life or some such crap. |
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SqueakyBuddha
Joined: 23 Jul 2007
Location: CheongJu
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| Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 9:15 pm Post subject: |
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| She's in first grade. Right now it's not about reaching her, it's about saving the rest of the class because it's going down hill real fast.[/quote] |
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poet13
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
Location: Just over there....throwing lemons.
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| Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 9:27 pm Post subject: |
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| cdninkorea wrote: |
| I'm against collective punishment because I think it's wrong to punish innocent people. That being said, I don't know what to suggest. |
You're so right. It's not fair to punish innocent people.....and that's where I start with the talk. I ask them if it's fair that every body did 30 pushups for one boy. They say NO. I then tell them that it's not fair that one boy is disrupting a whole class. They usually get it. |
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