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marlow
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Kiarell
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Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 6:22 pm Post subject: |
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There is phytoestrogen (girl hormone) in soy. Unfermented soy is where the problem is. I always tell people that soy milk is dangerous for this reason and the nutrient absorption rate is crap. Doenjang, miso, et al are fine, though.
Soy must be fermented the same way that kidney beans must be cooked to be edible. |
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matthews_world
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Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 6:24 pm Post subject: |
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So tofu should be good for you then?
Certainly good for the protein and calcium content. |
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Kiarell
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Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 6:29 pm Post subject: |
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I thought tofu was processed but not fermented and not aged the way miso/doenjang and soy sauce were. Maybe my memory's foggy. I just remember reading something on this a few years ago. On some forum somewhere someone was saying that it's stupid to assume that soy milk and tofu are great "because Asians always eat soy!" In actuality, soy intake was principally through miso or soy sauce. Ancient Chinese books on agriculture list soy as good for the soil but dangerous to consume...unless you like man boobs.
Soy milk is overly processed and has its nutrients added to it after it's made. The calcium etc that was already in it had been lost. Imagine making bleached, white flour and making a drink out of it. |
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marlow
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Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 8:03 pm Post subject: |
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So tofu should be good for you then?
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The article says it's just not good for the swim team, that's all. |
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Yesterday

Joined: 15 Aug 2003 Location: Land of the Morning DongChim (Kancho)
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Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 12:55 am Post subject: |
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| marlow wrote: |
| matthews_world wrote: |
So tofu should be good for you then?
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The article says it's just not good for the swim team, that's all. |
Neither is frequent sex, smoking, alcohol consumption, spicy foods, caffeine, hot baths and saunas, excess weight, sitting for long hours, over exertion physically and/or mentally.
(all the above lead to lowered sperm count). |
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zpeanut

Joined: 12 Mar 2008 Location: Pohang, Korea
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Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 1:31 am Post subject: |
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if you read the comments made by other readers at the bottom of the page.. you would immediately disregard the study.
keep eating tofu. |
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Kiarell
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Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 1:40 am Post subject: |
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| Yesterday wrote: |
| marlow wrote: |
| matthews_world wrote: |
So tofu should be good for you then?
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The article says it's just not good for the swim team, that's all. |
Neither is frequent sex, smoking, alcohol consumption, spicy foods, caffeine, hot baths and saunas, excess weight, sitting for long hours, over exertion physically and/or mentally.
(all the above lead to lowered sperm count). |
I've been wondering, what is a "long hour"? Is it more than 60 minutes? |
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SirFink

Joined: 05 Mar 2006
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Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 3:16 pm Post subject: |
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Soy must be fermented the same way that kidney beans must be cooked to be edible. |
Right. Most beans are toxic. Fava beans can actually kill you if eaten raw. Why? Because beans don't want us to eat them (unlike, say, fruits). |
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Vancouver
Joined: 12 Dec 2006
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Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 3:39 pm Post subject: |
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| Yesterday wrote: |
| marlow wrote: |
| matthews_world wrote: |
So tofu should be good for you then?
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The article says it's just not good for the swim team, that's all. |
Neither is frequent sex, smoking, alcohol consumption, spicy foods, caffeine, hot baths and saunas, excess weight, sitting for long hours, over exertion physically and/or mentally.
(all the above lead to lowered sperm count). |
o.O doesn't the body just make more after sex? Or is your idea of frequent sex 5 times a day? |
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Faunaki
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Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 7:45 pm Post subject: |
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| If one considers that the Chinese must be the biggest eaters of tofu and that they seem to be doing very well as a race at producing offspring, then any mention of tofu being bad for sperm is just silly. |
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Yesterday

Joined: 15 Aug 2003 Location: Land of the Morning DongChim (Kancho)
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Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 11:15 pm Post subject: |
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| Vancouver wrote: |
| Yesterday wrote: |
| marlow wrote: |
| matthews_world wrote: |
So tofu should be good for you then?
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The article says it's just not good for the swim team, that's all. |
Neither is frequent sex, smoking, alcohol consumption, spicy foods, caffeine, hot baths and saunas, excess weight, sitting for long hours, over exertion physically and/or mentally.
(all the above lead to lowered sperm count). |
o.O doesn't the body just make more after sex? Or is your idea of frequent sex 5 times a day? |
If you are trying to impregnate a female - scientists recommend ejaculation ONLY once every 3 days... |
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wylies99

Joined: 13 May 2006 Location: I'm one cool cat!
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Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 11:55 pm Post subject: |
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| Yesterday wrote: |
| Vancouver wrote: |
| Yesterday wrote: |
| marlow wrote: |
| matthews_world wrote: |
So tofu should be good for you then?
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The article says it's just not good for the swim team, that's all. |
Neither is frequent sex, smoking, alcohol consumption, spicy foods, caffeine, hot baths and saunas, excess weight, sitting for long hours, over exertion physically and/or mentally.
(all the above lead to lowered sperm count). |
o.O doesn't the body just make more after sex? Or is your idea of frequent sex 5 times a day? |
If you are trying to impregnate a female - scientists recommend ejaculation ONLY once every 3 days... |
Sounds like nerdy scientists who never get laid. |
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bassexpander
Joined: 13 Sep 2007 Location: Someplace you'd rather be.
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Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2008 12:33 am Post subject: |
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| Oh, great... so much for the new diet idea. haha |
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Big_Bird

Joined: 31 Jan 2003 Location: Sometimes here sometimes there...
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Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2008 12:39 am Post subject: |
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| Yesterday wrote: |
| Vancouver wrote: |
| Yesterday wrote: |
| marlow wrote: |
| matthews_world wrote: |
So tofu should be good for you then?
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The article says it's just not good for the swim team, that's all. |
Neither is frequent sex, smoking, alcohol consumption, spicy foods, caffeine, hot baths and saunas, excess weight, sitting for long hours, over exertion physically and/or mentally.
(all the above lead to lowered sperm count). |
o.O doesn't the body just make more after sex? Or is your idea of frequent sex 5 times a day? |
If you are trying to impregnate a female - scientists recommend ejaculation ONLY once every 3 days... |
No this has been revised. They now say that better quality sperm is produced if you are ejaculating daily. |
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