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The Real Issue Behind The Beef
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Omkara



Joined: 18 Feb 2006
Location: USA

PostPosted: Tue May 13, 2008 8:25 pm    Post subject: The Real Issue Behind The Beef Reply with quote

Use this argument with Koreans. They understand it.

Korea is growing richer, but its land is limited. Being richer, it demands more beef. The price therefore goes up. But, like people all over the world, they want fast, cheap meat, which their land cannot support. Hence, their demand for fast and cheap meat is the root of their problem.

The reason there is Mad-Cow Disease in the first place is the mad-demand for fast and cheap meat.

Solution, stick to and promote a more traditional Korean diet. That diet included beef, but as a special meal.

Many informed Americans also do not want American Beef exported. It is destroying our land, lakes, rivers, aquafirs, top-soil, forests, etc. It is consuming our national resources, including a massive portion of our oil (the price for a gallon of gas is...?).

In addition, cows eat grain. People eat grain. When cows eat grain, the price of grain goes up. Poor countries riot in the streets over the price of food. "Developed" countries complain about the quality of beef. . .

But, who is forwarding this argument? Not the buisnessmen. . .
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kiwiduncan



Joined: 18 Jun 2007
Location: New Zealand

PostPosted: Tue May 13, 2008 8:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very well put Omkara. I agree 100%. The modern world eats too much meat. I actually getting a bit sick of Korean bbq.

Even 'clean green' New Zealand, where our cows still live in fields with real grass and white fluffy clouds, is buggering its environment with too much beef and dairy farming.
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spliff



Joined: 19 Jan 2004
Location: Khon Kaen, Thailand

PostPosted: Tue May 13, 2008 8:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I eat beef three times per week...it's good! Very Happy
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Omkara



Joined: 18 Feb 2006
Location: USA

PostPosted: Tue May 13, 2008 9:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree. . .beef tastes good. Very good. But, I very rarely eat it. I have about three servings a year. I do, however, eat more than my share of fish. . . which brings us to several other issues. . .including Dok-do . . .

First, it's better to eat it only rarely; second, the problems which the industry presents makes me feel sick at the sight of a nealtly wrapped cut. . .

Still, though beef tastes so good, there are other things which are delicious. Looking for other meals to shift the balance from a meat-dominated diet to a vegetable-dominated diet is actually quite pleasurable.

Still, so long as people mis-frame the issue and argue over meat quality, the issue will only get worse. . .much worse.

Isn't McDonalds buying land in South America? Either way, why are we arguing over meat quality when we are falling so many rain-forest trees. . .is there no connecting the dots?

No matter how delicious a steak is, a thinking man or woman who at the same time gives a shhhteak will look at the side of the argument which is not driven by the root of consumer economics: the stomach.
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Pligganease



Joined: 14 Sep 2004
Location: The deep south...

PostPosted: Tue May 13, 2008 10:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The roots of the beef issue stem from two things: the fears of Korean farmers and the gullibility of the Korean people.

The farmers are afraid that the Korean people will realize the stupidity of paying $8.00/pound for ground beef and stop paying that premium price for the inferior Korean beef. Therefore, they are more than willing to create and spread false information about American beef.

The Korean public is gullible enough that they believe every single thing they are told by anyone. Seriously... American beef makes your skin oily? Koreans are more susceptible to vCJD? If someone on television said that American cows were raised on cyanide and arsenic, the Korean people would believe it.
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Pligganease



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PostPosted: Tue May 13, 2008 10:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Omkara wrote:
Isn't McDonalds buying land in South America?


Not to go off-topic, but this is incorrect on many levels.

A) McDonald's does not own land in South America except for land that has a restaurant on it.

B) McDonald's does not import beef from South America.

Snopes
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CentralCali



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PostPosted: Tue May 13, 2008 10:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The Korean public is gullible enough that they believe every single thing they are told by anyone.


Yeppers. American beef is merely the latest in a line of foreign casualties due to rumors: Wal-Mart, Carrefour, etc.


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Hollywoodaction



Joined: 02 Jul 2004

PostPosted: Tue May 13, 2008 10:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pligganease wrote:
The roots of the beef issue stem from two things: the fears of Korean farmers and the gullibility of the Korean people.

The farmers are afraid that the Korean people will realize the stupidity of paying $8.00/pound for ground beef and stop paying that premium price for the inferior Korean beef. Therefore, they are more than willing to create and spread false information about American beef.

The Korean public is gullible enough that they believe every single thing they are told by anyone. Seriously... American beef makes your skin oily? Koreans are more susceptible to vCJD? If someone on television said that American cows were raised on cyanide and arsenic, the Korean people would believe it.


Well, I wouldn't say that Korean beef is inferior. It's quite good actually. And not all Koreans are freaking out. I asked my students about it and the majority think it's been overblown.
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Omkara



Joined: 18 Feb 2006
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PostPosted: Tue May 13, 2008 10:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pligganease wrote:
Omkara wrote:
Isn't McDonalds buying land in South America?


Not to go off-topic, but this is incorrect on many levels.

A) McDonald's does not own land in South America except for land that has a restaurant on it.

B) McDonald's does not import beef from South America.

Snopes


Thanks. (Actually, I think I've found an easier way to do research! Make an assertion on dave's, then wait. . . )
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Ya-ta Boy



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994

PostPosted: Wed May 14, 2008 12:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I asked my students about it and the majority think it's been overblown.


The majority of my students are not nearly as hostile as the posts on this site led me to believe they were. I have some essays my students wrote about it and if I have time tonight/tomorrow, I'll copy and post them.

The only place I know that gets as hysterical as the Korean media is here at Dave's.
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SOOHWA101



Joined: 04 Mar 2006
Location: Makin moves...trying to find 24pyung

PostPosted: Wed May 14, 2008 2:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Omkara wrote:
Pligganease wrote:
Omkara wrote:
Isn't McDonalds buying land in South America?


Not to go off-topic, but this is incorrect on many levels.

A) McDonald's does not own land in South America except for land that has a restaurant on it.

B) McDonald's does not import beef from South America.

Snopes


Thanks. (Actually, I think I've found an easier way to do research! Make an assertion on dave's, then wait. . . )


Both a clever statement and hilarious....and true!
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crazyforeigner



Joined: 05 Nov 2007

PostPosted: Fri May 16, 2008 9:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

its best not to discuss this issue with koreans, no good will come of it
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Omkara



Joined: 18 Feb 2006
Location: USA

PostPosted: Sat May 17, 2008 12:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

crazyforeigner wrote:
its best not to discuss this issue with koreans, no good will come of it


I suppose this depends on with who and on how you address the issue. Be open to their point of view and don't assume they are stupid. I've had very good luck talking to them about the issue. But then, I've framed the argument as I did in the original post.
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ulsanchris



Joined: 19 Jun 2003
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PostPosted: Sat May 17, 2008 1:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

THere are a few things wrong with a couple of the OPs posts. the increases in grain prices has more to do with corn being used a biofuel. the demand for corn has raised the price of grain which also raised the price of beef.
Also eating fish is really bad for the environment. Over fishing is destroying the oceans. At the current rate of fishing the most fish will be gone from the ocean in 40 or 50 years. blue fin tuna is already endangered in many parts of the world.
I believe the real issue is anti-americanism. a small number of individuals of hi-jacked the debate and the opposition parties are riding it for all its worth in order to bolster their support.
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Roch



Joined: 24 Apr 2003
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Sat May 17, 2008 1:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

spliff wrote:
I eat beef three times per week...it's good! :D


Yes, a meal with beef or some other kind of meat is good for us in many ways.

Spliff: Do you have an extra J-Bar you do not need? If so, I'd buy it from you for Bullwinkle: He's got severe anxiety, and a Canadian tourist told me on I'taewon's Hooker Hill about what a wonderful job an M.J. Missile could do on poor, poor, Bullwinkle.

P.M. me about whatever our good, ol' sort B.W. stands to get from the likes of such a dirty and disgusting Caucasian as yourself.

Carry on, Spliff-Er-Ino!

I am,

Trooper Roch

;)


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