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Whistleblower
Joined: 03 Feb 2007
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 Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 4:17 am Post subject: 9,000 Illegal Foreign Workers Face Deportation |
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Nice to see that immigration is tackling illegal foreign workers but this is a bit heavy handed, isn't it? It doesn't reward anyone who has contributed to Korea, learnt the language or started a new life. "All those that are foreign get out now!" is the message that they are sending, aren't they?
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9,000 Illegal Foreign Workers Face Deportation
About 9,000 illegal foreign workers, about 4.4 percent of the total, are expected to face deportation this year as the government is waging a campaign to arrest ``unregistered aliens.''
The campaign against these workers has been stepped up since the Lee Myung-bak administration was launched in February.
President Lee told the labor minister in March that he does not want ``illegal foreign workers to stay in the country'' and that the government should come up with countermeasures.
Civic groups expressed concern that government officials, concerned only about numbers, may try too hard and cause injury or other human rights infringement during their searches.
Anxiety among foreign workers is higher than ever, especially after two were severely injured while leaping from the third floor of a building in Maseok, Gyeonggi Province, to avoid a crackdown last November, they said.
Officials of the immigration offices nationwide have been given a quota for the number of illegal residents they should arrest _ for Seoul 600 and Busan, 250. The total quota is made up of 3,000 per month from May to the end of July _ no quota has bee set beyond that.
The immigration office said it was not an order from the top but was made from the bottom. He said staff wrote the number they could handle and the central government just approved it. ``The quota will raise efficiency in the crackdown,'' an immigration office official said.
Some illegal sojourners have committed crimes here and these incidents have spawned negative sentiment against these guest workers. A Seoul professor said negative sentiment against illegal workers appears to be growing as the economy is slowing down and the job market gets tighter.
There are cases of immigration officials raiding churches, while some often turn up at workplaces and arrest unregistered people without giving notice to the owner of the facility or bringing legitimate warrants.
Lee Jeong-won, outreach and public relations director of the Migrants' Trade Union, said the officials violation of human rights has been a problem for many and the quota has made many overstaying foreigners nervous.
The Justice Ministry last Thursday deported two of the union's leaders _ Toran Limbu of Nepal and Abdus Sabur of Bangladesh.
``It shows clearly that the government has set its mind to get tough against us. The quota just proves what they are thinking,'' Lee said. She said the union is planning to hold a protest against the crackdown on May 25.
A total of 653,064 foreign laborers are living in Korea, including an estimated 202,817 illegal workers as of January, according to the Justice Ministry. The government estimates more than 20,000 illegal workers have resided here for a decade or longer.
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southern boy
Joined: 29 Sep 2007
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| Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 4:54 am Post subject: |
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| Assuming one has overstayed and was caught; what's the penalty or consequence before the deportation, does the punishment various between the "other" countries and the 7 English speaking nations? |
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Vancouver
Joined: 12 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 5:30 am Post subject: Re: 9,000 Illegal Foreign Workers Face Deportation |
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| Whistleblower wrote: |
| It doesn't reward anyone who has contributed to Korea, learnt the language or started a new life. "All those that are foreign get out now!" is the message that they are sending, aren't they? |
No, they're saying, "Get out you ILLEGAL foreigner" |
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GoldMember
Joined: 24 Oct 2006
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| Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 6:24 am Post subject: |
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Well not it's not heavy handed BUT all these illegals are knowingly employed by Korean employers, anything happening to them?
All countries have the right to deport illegals.
I would suspect that a lot of the people deported will be deported with unpaid wages owing. |
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Join Me
Joined: 14 Jan 2008
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| Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 6:34 am Post subject: |
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They have an illegal worker problem here for the same reason every other country in the world does. Employers (mostly Korean in this case) are willing to hire them and profit by paying wages that are lower than the going rate for legal workers.
Deport a few business owners and this problem will be solved immediately.
As for the slowing Korean economy that has been the impetus for this recent roundup, Koreans only have themselves to blame for that. Nobody wants to do business with a country that drags you into court when you make a profit. So what is the solution? Drive up the cost of Korean products by chasing off cheap labor. Sure, that is going to help. Does anyone know if Korea actually even has any economic policy planners? |
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Pyongshin Sangja
Joined: 20 Apr 2003
Location: I love baby!
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| Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 6:44 am Post subject: |
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No, they're saying, "Get out you ILLEGAL foreigner"
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So, my kyopo friend, when are the Canadians going to start rounding up the illegal Koreans in Canada?
And will you light a candle at Gwanghwamun when they do? |
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ryouga013
Joined: 14 Sep 2007
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| Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 6:56 am Post subject: |
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| I recently had a random thought about Korean and foreigners. Think of the most recognized scene from "300" where the servant comes and asks Sparta to become part of them and pay only a small tribute... Only in my mind, I saw some random ajjoshi yell "THIS IS KOREA" and kick some random foreigner into that pit... daydreaming is dangerous |
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Eedoryeong
Joined: 10 Dec 2007
Location: Jeju
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| Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 9:34 am Post subject: |
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| Pyongshin Sangja wrote: |
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No, they're saying, "Get out you ILLEGAL foreigner"
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So, my kyopo friend, when are the Canadians going to start rounding up the illegal Koreans in Canada?
And will you light a candle at Gwanghwamun when they do? |
Maybe he can light a candle at Gwanghwamun for the illegal foreigners in Canada who'd been allowed under Liberal governments to stay for years, build businesses and buy homes and raise families and have been ordered deported during the Harper era.
That's so cute how you razz the gyopo as if to read like Canada isn't doing the exact same thing. Good thing the gyopo doesn't know any better eh, or you'd look like a big fat hypocrite.
Oh shit - I just spilled the beans on how Canada does the exact same thing.
Damn it! I hate when that happens. |
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Beej
Joined: 05 Mar 2005
Location: Eungam Loop
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| Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 11:49 am Post subject: |
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| Pyongshin Sangja wrote: |
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No, they're saying, "Get out you ILLEGAL foreigner"
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So, my kyopo friend, when are the Canadians going to start rounding up the illegal Koreans in Canada?
And will you light a candle at Gwanghwamun when they do? |
Maybe he can light a candle at Gwanghwamun for the illegal foreigners in Canada who'd been allowed under Liberal governments to stay for years, build businesses and buy homes and raise families and have been ordered deported during the Harper era.
That's so cute how you razz the gyopo as if to read like Canada isn't doing the exact same thing. Good thing the gyopo doesn't know any better eh, or you'd look like a big fat hypocrite.
Oh shit - I just spilled the beans on how Canada does the exact same thing.
Damn it! I hate when that happens. |
So my Kyopo friend, when are the Americans going to start rounding up the illegal Koreans in America. And will you light a candle at Gwanghwamun when they do? |
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Vancouver
Joined: 12 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 12:24 pm Post subject: |
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| Pyongshin Sangja wrote: |
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No, they're saying, "Get out you ILLEGAL foreigner"
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So, my kyopo friend, when are the Canadians going to start rounding up the illegal Koreans in Canada?
And will you light a candle at Gwanghwamun when they do? |
we're not friends. And if Canada desides to round up and deport illegal koreans, I won't mind. It's Canada's right as a country to do so. Illegal koreans being deported will be kind of embarrasing on the news, but I won't care if they get deported or not, cause hey, they're breaking the law, so, they had it coming. If they get tasered or something, then I'd complain |
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Whistleblower
Joined: 03 Feb 2007
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| Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 3:14 pm Post subject: |
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| In fact in the UK, employers that hire illegal immigrants face very heavy fines from the Home Office for taking advantage of illegal immigrants. Do you think that Korean employers should face fines if they are found to have employed illegal aliens in this country? Do you think it is a breach of a basic human right to live in a country if you have lived here for say 10 years and face the prospect of leaving to go back to your home country where you could also face worse living conditions? I think no one has a right to say where people should live or not. |
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jim_we
Joined: 06 May 2004
Location: Korea
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| Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 3:32 pm Post subject: |
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| Do you think it is a breach of a basic human right to live in a country if you have lived here for say 10 years and face the prospect of leaving to go back to your home country where you could also face worse living conditions? I think no one has a right to say where people should live or not. |
Then you're a complete idiot! What part of the word "illegal alien" don't you understand? When a country gives up sovereignty and rule of law in it's own lands, it might as well fold up it's legs and die. We're not world citizens or anything, you've been watching too much PC crap on TV.  |
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cdninkorea
Joined: 27 Jan 2006
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 3:42 pm Post subject: |
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The Moral and Practical Case for Open Immigration
by Harry Binswanger
http://www.capmag.com/open-immigration/index.htm
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| The implicit premise of barring foreigners is: "This is our country, we let in who we want." But who is "we"? The government does not own the country. Jurisdiction is not ownership. Only the owner of land or any item of property can decide the terms of its use or sale. Nor does the majority own the country. This is a country of private property, and housing is private property. So is a job. |
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Whistleblower
Joined: 03 Feb 2007
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| Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 4:15 pm Post subject: |
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The Moral and Practical Case for Open Immigration
by Harry Binswanger
http://www.capmag.com/open-immigration/index.htm
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| The implicit premise of barring foreigners is: "This is our country, we let in who we want." But who is "we"? The government does not own the country. Jurisdiction is not ownership. Only the owner of land or any item of property can decide the terms of its use or sale. Nor does the majority own the country. This is a country of private property, and housing is private property. So is a job. |
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Nice, this is something that I like. If you free migration of people it will help. No one can tell where people should live or not. Open Immigration is interesting, as if it is open then migrants would then not be illegal. I think Korea is a bit xenophobic and not willing to change to suit the 21st century. They all talk about globalisation, doing business internationally and then their immigration policy is different to suit the current world climate.
In Samsung around the world, there is no single foreign (non-Korean) executive of that country. The Korean wish to do things their way in business and are not really receptive to change. They are still trying to teach a method of teaching that suited the 1960's (teaching rules) rather than the 21st century (teaching to communicate) and look how difficult it is to change the current system.
Korea is likely going to test the boundaries of human rights now until this little country decides to open up to foreigners. Open immigration is the way to go. It is an expensive job controlling where people live or not. |
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wanamin
Joined: 14 Apr 2008
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| Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 4:33 pm Post subject: |
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| cdninkorea wrote: |
The Moral and Practical Case for Open Immigration
by Harry Binswanger
http://www.capmag.com/open-immigration/index.htm
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| The implicit premise of barring foreigners is: "This is our country, we let in who we want." But who is "we"? The government does not own the country. Jurisdiction is not ownership. Only the owner of land or any item of property can decide the terms of its use or sale. Nor does the majority own the country. This is a country of private property, and housing is private property. So is a job. |
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I want to agree with this argument, but there is a glaring problem with it... If the government 'ownership' of a country is not legitamate, as you claim, then how to make the claim that ANY private property ownership is legit? It seems like a slippery slope. And if I own a piece of property, and I don't want to let anyone on it with brown eyes, can I do that? What if I own the only well in town, can I ration water to my friends, and let the rest suffer?
Once I allow that the government can't keep illegals out of a country, why should private property be so special?
How can my parents claim to 'own' their Long Island home when just 400 years ago, it was Natives living there?
Under your system, could I just find an un-used piece of land somewhere and claim it as my own?
I'd really like to live on the Isle of Weight or maybe Hawaii... can I just find a nice unused piece of land by the coast, build a shack, and call it my own?
I don't see this as a good theory. |
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