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mithridates

Joined: 03 Mar 2003 Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency
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Posted: Thu May 01, 2008 8:24 pm Post subject: Ron Paul's new book #1 on Amazon, will be NYT bestseller |
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This book deserves its own thread. So who plans to buy it?
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/04/ron-paul-tops-a.html
http://www.amazon.com/gp/bestsellers/books/ref=sv_b_3
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That makes not just an erstwhile presidential candidate who cedes he can't win the race but is encouraging voters to support him at the polls, but a bestselling one at that. The next nearest candidate is Sen. Barack Obama, whose Audacity of Hope is at #113 on the Amazon list and whose Dreams of My Father is at #278. Things don't look as good in the cold hard online reality of Amazon for Sens. John McCain and Hillary Clinton. McCain's Faith of My Fathers is way down at #4,758 this hour and Clinton's Living History is at 21,380, although those two books are years old. |
Ron Paul detractors, do you like to read books by people that you don't agree with simply to get an insight into how they tick? |
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Milwaukiedave
Joined: 02 Oct 2004 Location: Goseong
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Posted: Fri May 02, 2008 1:22 am Post subject: |
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I actually read part of Guliani's book I'd checked out from the library before I came to Korea (I would have finished it had I had time). I've also read one of Pat Buchanan's books as well. Neither one is liberal or a Democrat.
Would I buy Paul's book? Honestly, I probably wouldn't. For the most part I try not to buy books here in Korea given they are so expensive. If I had to guess since the book is new and a hardback, it would be somewhere in the neighborhood of 38,000 won maybe more. When I go home, I tend to bring books back with me. I do agree with Paul on ending the war in Iraq.
Note: Dreams from My Father was publish in 1995 and rerelased in 2004 (second edition). The Audacity of Hope was published in 1996, so it would be a year and a half old.
I have copies of The Audacity of Hope and Living History
If anyone wants My Life (Bill Clinton's book), let me know. I've got a pdf file (though it's harder to read a book on a computer screen). |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Established in 1994
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Posted: Fri May 02, 2008 2:14 am Post subject: |
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Ron Paul detractors, do you like to read books by people that you don't agree with simply to get an insight into how they tick? |
I've read some Bircher material and a few other things like that. I avoid actually buying a book because I don't want to support evil.
It will be interesting to see how long it stays at the top. If it drops off quickly, it will be sign that RP is still in his niche and hasn't broken out into the mainstream yet. |
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mithridates

Joined: 03 Mar 2003 Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency
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Posted: Fri May 02, 2008 6:37 pm Post subject: |
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Interesting interview on CNN today; Ron Paul (as do I) thinks Obama is the best of the three left standing:
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CNN's Wolf Blitzer had Ron Paul in the Situation Room today via satellite to talk to him about Paul's new book, the Republican and Democratic Parties, why Paul is hasn't dropped out of the presidential race, and more. Blitzer said that Paul's Revolution: A Manifesto is already a huge best-seller. Paul mentioned the voting records of John McCain, Hillary Clinton, and Barack Obama; but when Wolf asked if Ron Paul had to pick one of those three candidates for President, he said "I would think the one who would most likely keep us from expanding the war is probably Obama." |
http://www.connietalk.com/ron_paul_wolf_blitzer_050208.html |
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mindmetoo
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Posted: Sat May 03, 2008 5:54 am Post subject: Re: Ron Paul's new book #1 on Amazon, will be NYT bestseller |
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mithridates wrote: |
Ron Paul detractors, do you like to read books by people that you don't agree with simply to get an insight into how they tick? |
I do indeed read a lot by the opposition. There's indeed a lot to read further, more than I can manage in a life time. I'm happy to take short cuts, as we all do. If Ron Paul quacks like a duck based on what I've read, it'll err on the side he's probably a duck. If you have a different opinion, I'm willing for you to point to the counter evidence and I'll investigate it. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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Posted: Sat May 03, 2008 6:34 am Post subject: |
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I'd read the book; but I wouldn't buy it. But I don't think I even have time to read the book. But I will admit it could be a worthwhile activity. |
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agentX
Joined: 12 Oct 2007 Location: Jeolla province
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Posted: Sat May 03, 2008 8:30 am Post subject: |
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I may not like Ron Paul a lot, but if given a choice between his book and MAnn Coulter's or Drunken Glenn Beck's, then I'll go with Ron Paul's.
Unlike the other 2 assholes I listed, Ron Paul is not a moron. Therefore, I am sure his book would prove to be a decent read, unlike Jonas Goldberg's or Laura Ingrate's. |
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mithridates

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Posted: Sat May 03, 2008 8:36 am Post subject: |
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I've noticed that a lot of people that don't like Ron Paul would still love it if the GOP was more similar to his views, if they actually talked about small government and balanced budgets like they used to do. This is one of the reasons why I want to see a big GOP defeat this time around because if they do well it'll give them the impression that it's okay to keep going as is, with deficits, big government and overseas jaunts. |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003 Location: I walk along the avenue
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Posted: Sat May 03, 2008 8:40 am Post subject: |
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I've read some Bircher material and a few other things like that. I avoid actually buying a book because I don't want to support evil.
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I used to collect extremist political and sectarian propaganda, and still have quite a few titles kicking around. Despite Canada's hate laws, I've actually been able to buy genuine anti-semitic literature at library book sales.
I don't worry too much about "supporting evil", unless the publisher in question is on the verge of bankruptcy and I think my own personal boycott will help push him over the edge. I boycotted a particular right-wing homophobic newsmagazine in my home province for those reasons, and they eventually did go belly-up. Though obviously they weren't doing too well to begin with. |
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mindmetoo
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Posted: Sat May 03, 2008 9:24 am Post subject: |
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mithridates wrote: |
I've noticed that a lot of people that don't like Ron Paul would still love it if the GOP was more similar to his views, if they actually talked about small government and balanced budgets like they used to do. This is one of the reasons why I want to see a big GOP defeat this time around because if they do well it'll give them the impression that it's okay to keep going as is, with deficits, big government and overseas jaunts. |
If that's all Ron Paul talked about then fine. But for a guy who doesn't believe in free trade, free immigration, has a track record of supporting racist nutter groups, and doesn't believe in the basic science of evolutionary biology, I gotta say I wouldn't want him to be in charge of a change to smaller government. |
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mithridates

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Posted: Sat May 03, 2008 10:13 am Post subject: |
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mindmetoo wrote: |
mithridates wrote: |
I've noticed that a lot of people that don't like Ron Paul would still love it if the GOP was more similar to his views, if they actually talked about small government and balanced budgets like they used to do. This is one of the reasons why I want to see a big GOP defeat this time around because if they do well it'll give them the impression that it's okay to keep going as is, with deficits, big government and overseas jaunts. |
If that's all Ron Paul talked about then fine. But for a guy who doesn't believe in free trade |
Just a note on free trade: He doesn't like free trade agreements because they're not as free as trade should be and often come with clauses that give certain parts of national sovereignty up to quasi-governmental organizations. As far as I know he's in favour of 100% unrestricted free trade. |
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Gopher

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Posted: Sat May 03, 2008 10:30 am Post subject: |
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The book will be entirely predictable on American foreign relations, given his tipping his hand earlier that he subscribes to Stephen Kinzer and Chalmers Johnson's views. Why read something when I already know what it is going to conclude? Why should I not go to the source and continue reading Stephen Kinzer and Chalmers Johnson?
As far as the other ideas, I understand Ron Paul's politics and I do not need to read his campaign book to better understand them. In fact, I never read these campaign books. This literature is a bit too much "New York Times Bestseller!" for my taste.
And yes, I often read books by those espousing views that are not my own. I have been forced to read militant feminist material all semester long. I have also read one and a half Scientology books because this church/cult advertises that a billion people or so have read these books and I wanted to know what a billion people have read and what L. Ron Hubbard (another wacky "Ron") told them to think about this or that. |
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mindmetoo
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Posted: Sat May 03, 2008 10:37 am Post subject: |
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mithridates wrote: |
mindmetoo wrote: |
mithridates wrote: |
I've noticed that a lot of people that don't like Ron Paul would still love it if the GOP was more similar to his views, if they actually talked about small government and balanced budgets like they used to do. This is one of the reasons why I want to see a big GOP defeat this time around because if they do well it'll give them the impression that it's okay to keep going as is, with deficits, big government and overseas jaunts. |
If that's all Ron Paul talked about then fine. But for a guy who doesn't believe in free trade |
Just a note on free trade: He doesn't like free trade agreements because they're not as free as trade should be and often come with clauses that give certain parts of national sovereignty up to quasi-governmental organizations. As far as I know he's in favour of 100% unrestricted free trade. |
Could you direct me to a quote by his that supports that? |
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mithridates

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Posted: Sat May 03, 2008 10:39 am Post subject: |
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mindmetoo wrote: |
mithridates wrote: |
mindmetoo wrote: |
mithridates wrote: |
I've noticed that a lot of people that don't like Ron Paul would still love it if the GOP was more similar to his views, if they actually talked about small government and balanced budgets like they used to do. This is one of the reasons why I want to see a big GOP defeat this time around because if they do well it'll give them the impression that it's okay to keep going as is, with deficits, big government and overseas jaunts. |
If that's all Ron Paul talked about then fine. But for a guy who doesn't believe in free trade |
Just a note on free trade: He doesn't like free trade agreements because they're not as free as trade should be and often come with clauses that give certain parts of national sovereignty up to quasi-governmental organizations. As far as I know he's in favour of 100% unrestricted free trade. |
Could you direct me to a quote by his that supports that? |
Sure, here's an article written by Ron Paul himself. |
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mindmetoo
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Posted: Sat May 03, 2008 1:05 pm Post subject: |
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It is absurd to believe that CAFTA and other trade agreements do not diminish American sovereignty. When we grant quasi-governmental international bodies the power to make decisions about American trade rules, we lose sovereignty plain and simple. I can assure you firsthand that Congress has changed American tax laws for the sole reason that the World Trade Organization decided our rules unfairly impacted the European Union. Hundreds of tax bills languish in the House Ways and Means committee, while the one bill drafted strictly to satisfy the WTO was brought to the floor and passed with great urgency last year. |
Does Ron Paul realize any treaty can be changed at any time by the congress? If congress does not believe an international body has America's best interest at heart, it is more than free to change domestic law as it sees fit. |
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