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Why so many FTs at technical / vocational high schools?

 
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Yu_Bum_suk



Joined: 25 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Mon May 19, 2008 10:02 pm    Post subject: Why so many FTs at technical / vocational high schools? Reply with quote

I've met, and read here about, a lot of foreign teachers working at technical and vocationa high schools. Yet, I also hear of all sorts of academic high schools - including some really good and 'famous' schools - that don't have any FTs. I know that this is Korea and things aren't supposed to make sense or be logical, but I can't help but wonder why FT resources would be spent on students with little interest or aptitude and not on those who could most use them. Some possible reasons I can think of:

- Someone genuinely thinks that FTs might help remedy the poor level of English most technical HS students have.
- Someone knows it's largely a waste of time but figures dumping FTs at such places will make English easier for KTs.
- Someone figures that many of the better schools are better off just teaching for the tests and FTs could interfere with this.
- Someone figures that many of the better schools are already so great they don't need the services of FTs.
- Someone in FT placement is just throwing darts at a board.

What are your thoughts?
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Easter Clark



Joined: 18 Nov 2007
Location: Hiding from Yie Eun-woong

PostPosted: Mon May 19, 2008 11:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've wondered this myself. I can never seem to get a straight answer from any of my colleagues on this question! The only answer I did get was that "the students in the academic HS have too many *other* classes to take a conversation class." Shocked
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nobbyken



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PostPosted: Mon May 19, 2008 11:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

When I was looking for my current job, I wanted 4 weeks summer vacation.
That and accommodation for may wife and daughter were my only demands.

Still it was difficult to find a suitable post. Some HSs were willing to give me 3 weeks summer vacation, but I resisted.

I was offered a job, by a nice lady on daves, about a position at the school she was leaving. It's an information/technical HS and is under private ownership. I signed the standard Gepik contract with 14 days vacation, but I'm taking 5 weeks this summer and 2 months in winter.
Jobs a bit of a no-brainer, but nice-sized apartment and long vacation: why work anywhere else?

A publicly owned school may be too anally retentive and be worried about the public purse, sticking to the contract, lesson plans etc..
Very relaxed here.
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Otherside



Joined: 06 Sep 2007

PostPosted: Tue May 20, 2008 12:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Perhaps because those students will be the ones most likely to use English in their future careers...

"Would you like fries with that?"

Seriously though, I hardly ever encounter any English from Koreans (apart from ones I know personally) outside of a fast food restaurant, and often they speak better English than the bank tellers I use or even the Doctor's I've consulted with (with his Degree from a US! university hanging proudly on the wall..)
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Fishead soup



Joined: 24 Jun 2007
Location: Korea

PostPosted: Tue May 20, 2008 3:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Otherside wrote:
Perhaps because those students will be the ones most likely to use English in their future careers...

"Would you like fries with that?"

Seriously though, I hardly ever encounter any English from Koreans (apart from ones I know personally) outside of a fast food restaurant, and often they speak better English than the bank tellers I use or even the Doctor's I've consulted with (with his Degree from a US! university hanging proudly on the wall..)


Another possibility

" Would you like to go short time or long time? We have room upstairs".
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Yu_Bum_suk



Joined: 25 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Tue May 20, 2008 3:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

nobbyken wrote:
When I was looking for my current job, I wanted 4 weeks summer vacation.
That and accommodation for may wife and daughter were my only demands.

Still it was difficult to find a suitable post. Some HSs were willing to give me 3 weeks summer vacation, but I resisted.

I was offered a job, by a nice lady on daves, about a position at the school she was leaving. It's an information/technical HS and is under private ownership. I signed the standard Gepik contract with 14 days vacation, but I'm taking 5 weeks this summer and 2 months in winter.
Jobs a bit of a no-brainer, but nice-sized apartment and long vacation: why work anywhere else?

A publicly owned school may be too anally retentive and be worried about the public purse, sticking to the contract, lesson plans etc..
Very relaxed here.


Another interesting thing is that technical HS's schedules often afford way more time off than the two weeks certain government officials would love to restrict us to (why make staying long-term appealing for expereinced teachers, after all?). Academic HSs, on the other hand, put on extra summer and winter break classes that, while often somewhat pointless, could keep us busy all but several weeks of the year.
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Easter Clark



Joined: 18 Nov 2007
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PostPosted: Tue May 20, 2008 4:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

nobbyken wrote:

I signed the standard Gepik contract with 14 days vacation, but I'm taking 5 weeks this summer and 2 months in winter.
Jobs a bit of a no-brainer, but nice-sized apartment and long vacation: why work anywhere else?


Same here. While the students are (*ahem*) less-than-motivated, the faculty and the time off make this one sweet deal.

And after a while you learn what your students like and find ways to appeal to their interests. Granted, the idea that you are teaching them anything that will have a substantial, positive impact on their future is pie-in-the-sky...so you focus on the small victories, which are usually on a class-by-class basis.

I'm sure I could work somewhere where the students are high-level and actually interested in learning English, but what would I have to sacrifice? After all, no job is perfect.
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