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Len8
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 Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 11:03 am Post subject: Texas fundamentalist polygamists |
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Watched a lot of the proceedings on TV, but thought it weird that the ladies all wore the same type of old fashioned dresses.They all could be wives of one man for that matter.
Incredible that people could be brainwashed so much that they accept behaviour totally contrary to current mainstream behaviour. |
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Czarjorge
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Brainwashed?
I go out of my way to avoid those social mores and norms that I dislike. Have I brainwashed myself?
Most things awesome have come from...
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| behaviour totally contrary to current mainstream behaviour. |
I don't even know why polygamy is still illegal. If I could find a couple ladies who were into it I would be a polygamist in a heartbeat. It makes more economic sense today than good old monogamist marriage. |
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tomato
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Location: I get so little foreign language experience, I must be in Koreatown, Los Angeles.
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| Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 1:46 pm Post subject: Re: Texas fundamentalist polygamists |
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| Len8 wrote: |
| Incredible that people could be brainwashed so much that they accept behaviour totally contrary to current mainstream behaviour. |
I hear what you're saying, but I also sometimes find it incredible that people could be brainwashed somuch that they accept current mainstream behavior. |
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No_hite_pls
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| Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 6:14 pm Post subject: Re: Texas fundamentalist polygamists |
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| Len8 wrote: |
Watched a lot of the proceedings on TV, but thought it weird that the ladies all wore the same type of old fashioned dresses.They all could be wives of one man for that matter.
Incredible that people could be brainwashed so much that they accept behaviour totally contrary to current mainstream behaviour. |
The polygamists act like people did like 5,000 years ago, very very backwards.
How do they have money, do they work? Do they contribute to society in any way? I hope that my tax money doesn't go to supporting them.
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Justin Hale
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| Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 6:23 pm Post subject: |
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"The maternal instinct leads a woman to prefer a tenth share in a first-rate man to the exclusive possession of a third-rate one"
- George Bernard Shaw |
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aboxofchocolates
Joined: 21 Mar 2008
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| Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 6:56 pm Post subject: |
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| Justin Hale wrote: |
"The maternal instinct leads a woman to prefer a tenth share in a first-rate man to the exclusive possession of a third-rate one"
- George Bernard Shaw |
Oh, biological determinism! It's my personal favorite form of ideological oppression- two out of three evolutionists agree, ______ group is inferior because of the Science Reason!!
Replace the phrase "The maternal instinct" with "The not wanting to starve and die feeling" and I'd say Shaw was bang on. |
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canuckistan
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| Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 6:59 pm Post subject: |
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| Justin Hale wrote: |
"The maternal instinct leads a woman to prefer a tenth share in a first-rate man to the exclusive possession of a third-rate one"
- George Bernard Shaw |
That's for dummies.
I've got exclusive possession of a first-rate guy  |
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Pligganease
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| Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 7:14 pm Post subject: |
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How is polygamy in any way different than homosexual marriage, provided all parties concerned are consenting adults?
The problem with the polygamists comes from their abuse of children. |
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aboxofchocolates
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| Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 7:21 pm Post subject: |
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| Pligganease wrote: |
How is polygamy in any way different than homosexual marriage, provided all parties concerned are consenting adults?
The problem with the polygamists comes from their abuse of children. |
So long as noone gets hurt, what's the problem? Personally, I think three top quality men would be my ideal- I'm needy. |
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cj1976
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| Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 7:40 pm Post subject: |
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| Why have three wives? You're just asking for three times as much nagging. Good luck to them. |
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ED209
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| Pligganease wrote: |
How is polygamy in any way different than homosexual marriage, provided all parties concerned are consenting adults?
The problem with the polygamists comes from their abuse of children. |
That's the charge right there. This is about kids not wives. Although the police have been very slow in coming forward with their evidence. |
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aboxofchocolates
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| Why have three wives? You're just asking for three times as much nagging. Good luck to them. |
I agree. Do what you will, but polygamy should be for women only- we'd have the most fun with it. |
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Justin Hale
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| Posted: Thu May 22, 2008 2:48 am Post subject: |
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| aboxofchocolates wrote: |
| Justin Hale wrote: |
"The maternal instinct leads a woman to prefer a tenth share in a first-rate man to the exclusive possession of a third-rate one"
- George Bernard Shaw |
Oh, biological determinism! |
It's not biological determinism. The latter says genetics are solely responsible for things and completely rules out social and environmental and other factors. It's not evident at all in Bernard Shaw's quote that that's what he was calling for. He does however appear to believe that biological evolution is involved in sexual instincts, which is uncontroversial.
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| Replace the phrase "The maternal instinct" with "The not wanting to starve and die feeling" and I'd say Shaw was bang on. |
Men also don't want to starve and yet marriage of one woman to many men (polyandry) is vastly less common than marriage of one man to many women (polygyny).
In any case, monogamy is, once again, a male Judeo-Christian conspiracy (this time against women). A common misconception is that monogamy benefits women to the detriment of we premiscuous and cheating guys. It doesn't. Monogamy increases the odds of male marriage whereas polygamy increases the odds of female marriage (to the detriment of the majority of men). Hardly surprising the Middle East is full of angry young men blowing themselves up, eh? These poor, sad and pitiable fellas need to get laid.
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| polygamy should be for women only- we'd have the most fun with it |
Bad news, I'm afraid. Men, at the very least a massive majority, consider the prospect of sharing a wife with other men hideous beyond description - and with good reason. Males cannot be assured any offspring born to their shared wife is theirs. I doubt women with polyandrous aspirations would have much fun, unless never having sex ever again for the rest of your life is your idea of fun. This is presumably why we have derogatory words for female promiscuity and not male. |
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aboxofchocolates
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| Posted: Thu May 22, 2008 11:57 pm Post subject: |
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| Justin Hale wrote: |
| aboxofchocolates wrote: |
| Justin Hale wrote: |
"The maternal instinct leads a woman to prefer a tenth share in a first-rate man to the exclusive possession of a third-rate one"
- George Bernard Shaw |
Oh, biological determinism! |
It's not biological determinism. The latter says genetics are solely responsible for things and completely rules out social and environmental and other factors. It's not evident at all in Bernard Shaw's quote that that's what he was calling for. He does however appear to believe that biological evolution is involved in sexual instincts, which is uncontroversial.
| aboxofchocolates wrote: |
| Replace the phrase "The maternal instinct" with "The not wanting to starve and die feeling" and I'd say Shaw was bang on. |
Men also don't want to starve and yet marriage of one woman to many men (polyandry) is vastly less common than marriage of one man to many women (polygyny).
In any case, monogamy is, once again, a male Judeo-Christian conspiracy (this time against women). A common misconception is that monogamy benefits women to the detriment of we premiscuous and cheating guys. It doesn't. Monogamy increases the odds of male marriage whereas polygamy increases the odds of female marriage (to the detriment of the majority of men). Hardly surprising the Middle East is full of angry young men blowing themselves up, eh? These poor, sad and pitiable fellas need to get laid.
| aboxofchocolates wrote: |
| polygamy should be for women only- we'd have the most fun with it |
Bad news, I'm afraid. Men, at the very least a massive majority, consider the prospect of sharing a wife with other men hideous beyond description - and with good reason. Males cannot be assured any offspring born to their shared wife is theirs. I doubt women with polyandrous aspirations would have much fun, unless never having sex ever again for the rest of your life is your idea of fun. This is presumably why we have derogatory words for female promiscuity and not male. |
I�m a little pressed for time, so I�ll just give you the gist of my position (please qualify every assertion I make with �I think� if I didn�t all ready):
Marriage has more to do with household economy and social power structure than it does to do with instinct. I think the only place biology plays a significant role is in determining who will have and raise the children- women get pregnant then breast feed the kids for a long period of time (up to six years in some nomadic and semi-nomadic tribes)..
The logical way to organize marriage depends on how your economy is run. Historically you will see many more examples of polyandry than polygyny (usually it makes more sense to have loads of kids to help with the labour), but they do crop up (thanks for the terms by the way. I recalled they existed but I was too lazy to look them up). Even in these societies (nomadic tribes in Bali for instance) these cultures still tend to be male dominated.
As far as how our society (Western society) and many others like it view promiscuous women, the nuclear family unit is still the social norm, and so the morals of our society protect it. Our society is changing, however; more diverse unions are being accepted.
I dislike the �instinct� argument especially since so much of life is going against what you feel, not with it. But I can�t say what I said above is any more provable.
Ok, literary critics and grammar police who have done me the kindness of reading, have at �er.
Mr. Hale, you must have heard my argument before (but probably well worded by someone with a PhD), what�s your take? |
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Justin Hale
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| Posted: Fri May 23, 2008 4:34 am Post subject: |
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You have excellent ideas. The intense investment women have in reproduction - and the fact that men can father children with other women whilst his wife or girlfriend is pregnant - is key. It seems that polygamy might be more of a man thing, whilst monogamy a woman thing on the surface. But it's totally false for the reasons given previously. Polygamy benefits a privileged few men to the detriment of the majority (of men). |
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