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missionshk
Joined: 09 May 2007
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 Posted: Mon May 26, 2008 4:52 am Post subject: what happens when you don't return from vacation on time |
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I signed a renewal contract..
I was wondering if anyone has any experience staying longer than the 2 weeks they give you and then claim sick leave for it..
is the contract still valid? |
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BS.Dos.
Joined: 29 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Mon May 26, 2008 5:01 am Post subject: |
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A couple I know had a problem with their criminal background checks recently, which resulted in them returning to SK 2-days late from their end of contract vacation. They forewarned their boss by email, but the asshole fired them all the same. However, when they showed up a few days later to get their personals and empty their bank accounts etc, he promptly gave them their jobs back. About 3-weeks later they did a runner.
The guys a complete dickhead by all accounts and they decided that working for him just wasn't worth the aggravation. |
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Sody
Joined: 14 May 2006
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| Posted: Mon May 26, 2008 5:15 am Post subject: |
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| BS.Dos. wrote: |
A couple I know had a problem with their criminal background checks recently, which resulted in them returning to SK 2-days late from their end of contract vacation. They forewarned their boss by email, but the asshole fired them all the same. However, when they showed up a few days later to get their personals and empty their bank accounts etc, he promptly gave them their jobs back. About 3-weeks later they did a runner.
The guys a complete dickhead by all accounts and they decided that working for him just wasn't worth the aggravation. |
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DongtanTony
Joined: 22 Feb 2008
Location: Bundang
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| Posted: Mon May 26, 2008 7:34 am Post subject: |
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So...let me get this straight...
The boss was "good enough" to complete a one year contract with.
The boss was "good enough" to sign a renewal for a second year.
The boss was "good enough" to schedule an end of contract vacation period...and presumably...your friends either got some kind of cash settlement or equivalence for their airfare.
But...for whatever reason...your friends came back to work late...then didn't show up for who knows how many more days after their return to Korea...all of the sudden the boss is a....quote/unquote..."dickhead."
Where do you people come from??
I thought members of the entitlement generation were limited to the boarders of North America...apparently this is an international issue that requires examination.
To the OP...missionshk...why come to the board to pose this problem??
Why not go to your management/administration and try to negotiate your terms??
If you're trying to take a little...be prepared to give a little...you're not going to find your "legal loophole." Be a responsible employee/human being and present your case to your employer...if you have sick time coming to you...and present it with the "give and take" mindset...you may be surprised at what you'll actually get.
Good luck. |
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missionshk
Joined: 09 May 2007
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| Posted: Mon May 26, 2008 2:46 pm Post subject: |
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I already did and they said no
I can't leave 2 days early
I cant return late..
I can't add my summer vacation to renewal date.. June 25th
and btw, I cant find a ticket reservation for the dates they give me |
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bassexpander
Joined: 13 Sep 2007
Location: Someplace you'd rather be.
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| Posted: Mon May 26, 2008 2:50 pm Post subject: |
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| The boss wasn't exactly understanding of their situation. Personally, I thought it was pretty darned funny, and I applaud them. I hope they got all of their pay and also their severance. |
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BS.Dos.
Joined: 29 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Mon May 26, 2008 4:31 pm Post subject: |
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| Where do you people come from?? |
England. Who are you?
I don't understand your comments. Why are you making wild presumptions like that? Ask yourself this, why would the boss have re-hired them if they'd been dickheads? I very much doubt he would have. The couple in questions gave him a hassle free years worth of service and, because of a background check problem, they had to stay back home for an additional 2-days. Upon telling their boss this, they were subsequently fired whilst they were still in the UK.
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| The boss was 'good enough'? |
Good enough doesn't have anything to do with it. It was a PS Immersion Camp so it wasn't like he actually had a choice as to whether to pay them their completion bonuses etc. He had to. Contractual obligations etc
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| Your friends came back to work late then didn't show up for who knows how many days after their return. |
I'll reiterate for the hard of reading. They were fired before they arrived. They came back for their personals and to empty their bank accounts and upon doing so, were offered their jobs back. Reluctantly, they initially agreed, but a couple of weeks in and it'd become apparent that this guy now had 'leverage' over the couple and was becoming increasingly difficult to work with/for. They decided that the circumstances of employment had changed and promptly left.
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DongtanTony
Joined: 22 Feb 2008
Location: Bundang
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| Posted: Mon May 26, 2008 6:34 pm Post subject: |
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| BS.Dos. wrote: |
A couple I know had a problem with their criminal background checks recently, which resulted in them returning to SK 2-days late from their end of contract vacation. They forewarned their boss by email, but the asshole fired them all the same. However, when they showed up a few days later to get their personals and empty their bank accounts etc, he promptly gave them their jobs back. About 3-weeks later they did a runner.
The guys a complete dickhead by all accounts and they decided that working for him just wasn't worth the aggravation. |
I'm glad that you're privy to all the specifics of your friends' situation...your post is vague...and open to interpretation.
It sounds like they came back two days late...were fired...then returned to their place of work an additional "few days later."
Then they go back to work...only for a few weeks...presumably to get a little more cash off this guy...and run...........sounds to me like your friends are theiving bastards.
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| Ask yourself this, why would the boss have re-hired them if they'd been dickheads? |
My question was, why did they renew if the boss was a dickhead? You paint him out to be such a *beep*...most people who come through this industry won't renew their contracts with a "dickhead."
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| I'll reiterate for the hard of reading. They were fired before they arrived. |
Please point out to me where you state that in your original post...I quoted you above...please find that for me. We offer writing seminars at my hagwon, if you'd like, we could sign you up. We also help our students give more specific information and details in their writing...you could benefit from a few of our classes. My fifth graders would probably love another teacher in the room at the time.
Missionshk...my last suggestion to you...if you took the time to read through this pissing contest...
Do you have any buddies that could serve as a substitute for you during those couple of days you want off?? And...if that possibility does exist, I would clear it with your director first, and maybe have a sit down introduction type of thing to let your boss see who would be teaching those classes. |
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BS.Dos.
Joined: 29 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Mon May 26, 2008 8:17 pm Post subject: |
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Now you're being really ridiculous. Writing classes? WTF are you talking about. I think you'd do better than to antogonize posters in future with such a condescending and patronising tone, which when it's dressed in such a 'holier than thou' attitude and makes highly dubious assumptions, makes you come across as being a bit of, for want of a better expression, a bigheaded know it all.
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| A couple I know had a problem with their criminal background checks recently, which resulted in them returning to SK 2-days late from their end of contract vacation. They forewarned their boss by email, but the asshole fired them all the same. However, when they showed up a few days later to get their personals and empty their bank accounts etc, he promptly gave them their jobs back. About 3-weeks later they did a runner. |
If that's still unclear, then why not ask a question and clarify first in future before letting your vivid imagination of the leash. |
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anyangoldboy
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| Posted: Mon May 26, 2008 8:20 pm Post subject: |
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marlow
Joined: 06 Feb 2005
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| Posted: Mon May 26, 2008 8:28 pm Post subject: |
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| BS.Dos. wrote: |
Now you're being really ridiculous. Writing classes? WTF are you talking about. I think you'd do better than to antogonize posters in future with such a condescending and patronising tone, which when it's dressed in such a 'holier than thou' attitude and makes highly dubious assumptions, makes you come across as being a bit of, for want of a better expression, a bigheaded know it all.
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| A couple I know had a problem with their criminal background checks recently, which resulted in them returning to SK 2-days late from their end of contract vacation. They forewarned their boss by email, but the asshole fired them all the same. However, when they showed up a few days later to get their personals and empty their bank accounts etc, he promptly gave them their jobs back. About 3-weeks later they did a runner. |
If that's still unclear, then why not ask a question and clarify first in future before letting your vivid imagination of the leash. |
I thought it was pretty clear. |
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cruisemonkey
Joined: 04 Jul 2005
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| Posted: Mon May 26, 2008 8:30 pm Post subject: |
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My plane was late to Incheon on a Sunday night coming back from winter vacation. It was impossible to get to my city that night to be in school on Monday morning; so I phoned my co-teacher. She said "Call me tomorrow when you get home." When I got back, I phoned her (at noon from my apartment) to tell her I'd be at school after lunch. She said the v.p. told her to tell me to "Take the whole day off... and have a rest."  |
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Young FRANKenstein
Joined: 02 Oct 2006
Location: Castle Frankenstein (that's FRONKensteen)
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| Posted: Tue May 27, 2008 1:08 am Post subject: |
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| marlow wrote: |
| BS.Dos. wrote: |
Now you're being really ridiculous. Writing classes? WTF are you talking about. I think you'd do better than to antogonize posters in future with such a condescending and patronising tone, which when it's dressed in such a 'holier than thou' attitude and makes highly dubious assumptions, makes you come across as being a bit of, for want of a better expression, a bigheaded know it all.
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| A couple I know had a problem with their criminal background checks recently, which resulted in them returning to SK 2-days late from their end of contract vacation. They forewarned their boss by email, but the asshole fired them all the same. However, when they showed up a few days later to get their personals and empty their bank accounts etc, he promptly gave them their jobs back. About 3-weeks later they did a runner. |
If that's still unclear, then why not ask a question and clarify first in future before letting your vivid imagination of the leash. |
I thought it was pretty clear. |
I think it was pretty clear to all of us living here on the planet Earth. |
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Kimchieluver
Joined: 02 Mar 2005
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| Posted: Tue May 27, 2008 3:31 am Post subject: |
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| Young FRANKenstein wrote: |
| marlow wrote: |
| BS.Dos. wrote: |
Now you're being really ridiculous. Writing classes? WTF are you talking about. I think you'd do better than to antogonize posters in future with such a condescending and patronising tone, which when it's dressed in such a 'holier than thou' attitude and makes highly dubious assumptions, makes you come across as being a bit of, for want of a better expression, a bigheaded know it all.
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| A couple I know had a problem with their criminal background checks recently, which resulted in them returning to SK 2-days late from their end of contract vacation. They forewarned their boss by email, but the asshole fired them all the same. However, when they showed up a few days later to get their personals and empty their bank accounts etc, he promptly gave them their jobs back. About 3-weeks later they did a runner. |
If that's still unclear, then why not ask a question and clarify first in future before letting your vivid imagination of the leash. |
I thought it was pretty clear. |
I think it was pretty clear to all of us living here on the planet Earth. |
Me too. I would also like to add, that when Directors/ principles, supervisors want something of outside of the contract, it is usually mandatory volunteer work or something like that. However, they sure as heck stick to the contract when the FTs want to bend it. |
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Young FRANKenstein
Joined: 02 Oct 2006
Location: Castle Frankenstein (that's FRONKensteen)
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| Posted: Tue May 27, 2008 4:24 am Post subject: |
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| Kimchieluver wrote: |
| I would also like to add, that when Directors/ principles, supervisors want something of outside of the contract, it is usually mandatory volunteer work or something like that. However, they sure as heck stick to the contract when the FTs want to bend it. |
If I ask them for a favour and they pull the contract thing wth me, I make sure to throw it back in their face when they ask me for favours later down the line. Then I teach them a new expression: "What's good for the goose is good for the gander" and let them think on it as I refuse their request again.
Pagoda was like that. I ask to have all my block-shift classes together without a break and get "no, sorry, the labor law says you can't do that. We will get in trouble if we don't give you a break". Yes, of course, but I am willing to sign a release saying I don't want my break. "No, we can't do that."... Fast forward a few months to summer vacation and now we have WAY too many classes for the teachers to cover. Guess what? NOW it's okay for them to schedule 7-8 classes for you in a row, yes all you have to do is agree to waive your break and they can do it. "No, get bent." You are not being very co-operative. We will probably not give you another contract. "You were not very co-operative when I asked for the SAME THING a few months ago, so if this is the attitude you are taking with me, then I dont want a new contract." |
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