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[bovinerebel]

This is going to be a little all over the place. In the more wider context I'd like to discuss something I've been thinking about lately.

You're mostly all fresh out of university and playing around with liberalism. I relate because I was exactly the same at you age. You have pretty ideas about the world but sadly they are very black and white. I remember the words of my father when he told me "Son , one day you're going to realise what an unpragmatic fool you are". Perhaps idealist is a better word than liberal but the two go hand in hand.

Anyway the point is that far too often in the name of idealism the greater good suffers. Eventually one learns a little about life and people and one realises you've got to really curb your expectations and frankly through the attriction of life you rid yourself of silly ideals such as ". All people are intrinsicaly good" and start to want to put them all against the wall. Especially you lose the idea that any human being is capable of having power without being corrupt or that there is no such thing as altriusm. This kills all notions of a society that should enpower itself to "help" itself. Maybe like me you consider this all and come to the conclusion that maybe it would be better if we just left each other the fekk alone. Ie : libetarianism or something like it.

Now the real problem with trying to live your life as a libetarianist is when you find you live in a liberal society...a society that's so fragile and apologetic to every woman that's is open to abuse. Suddenly things like "gender" and ethnicity are able to abuse the liberal sensibilities and push their agenda onto society. Before you know it you're controlled by thought police ....people telling you what you can or can't say...who you can or can't hire ...who you can or can't confront etc .......now here's the thing....take this to its furthest logical conclusion and what do you have ? Fascism.

Anyway...that's what I want to discuss .....have our western socieites become so liberal that we've become slaves to ourselves ?

and secondly ...I wanted to offer this article as an example of idealism versus pragmatism..So you all berated South Africa for apartheid. Do you see the irony in this ?

'I really hate your country'

Pearlie Joubert | Cape Town, South Africa



29 May 2008 11:59


Somalian Muhamed Barre is bitter about his neighbours in Khayelitsha looting his shop and threatening to kill him
�I was behind the counter in my shop when my neighbour came in. I�d lived next door to her for six years and we were friendly. She started doing that dance � toyi-toyi you call it.

�I said: �Hey, sisi (sister)! You must sing when you dance!� She looked into my eyes and shouted: �Hamba kwerekwere, hamba (go, foreigner, go).��

So began Somalian-born Muhamed Barre�s terrifying ordeal in Khayelitsha�s Site C last Friday night. At least 30 Somali-owned shops were closed in the township, most after being looted.

The neighbour�s sinister dance was the trigger for an invasion.

�So quickly, the other people and children picked up from her and then they started breaking and looting and also shouting �hamba kwerekwere, hamba!

�I know everybody who looted. They were my neighbours; some lived across the road. I gave sweets and chips to their children. I sometimes did their shopping for them. I lent them money.

�A woman across the road asked: �Where�s this man? We must put him six feet under tonight�.�

Barre is no newcomer; he has run a spaza shop in Site C for 13 years.

The store was open seven days a week, sometimes from the early morning until 11pm.

Twenty-four hours after foreign traders were chased out of Du Noon in Milnerton and their shops looted, his was one of the first in Khayelitsha to be hit.

Barre fled to the back of his shop. �People became more and more crazy and they started breaking up the whole place; I ran outside where a police vehicle was parked.�

As the rioters, some with knives and metal poles, turned their attention to his house, he says the police were largely inactive.

�A woman walked past one of the policeman with a big 15kg of [looted] sugar. She lost her balance and the policeman helped her to get a better grip on the sack. He laughed when she said thanks and danced away.�

�The cop asked me: �Do you want me to save your life?� I said: �Please, please, they�ll kill me.� He opened the back of the van and said: �Get in kwerekwere; I save you.��

At the police station he found other Somalis who had taken refuge. There he phoned his former wife, a South African living in Delft.

�She cried over the phone saying I must not worry about our boy. She said I must please not come to Delft because I will be killed and her house will be burned.�

�What will happen to my Faizel? He looks like me. He�s also a Barre.�

In addition to his house and store, Barre lost R40 000 worth of stock.

Possessing just his resident�s papers and the clothes he is wearing, he is now effectively interned at the refugee camp at the Youngsfield army base in Wetton with 1 400 other foreign nationals.

Hugging himself against the icy north-wester, he now has less than when he left Somalia.

The army has erected rows of brown tents and banned the media. A Muslim relief organisation feeds the fugitives twice a day.

NGOs coordinated by the Treatment Action Campaign and helped by the state�s disaster management service say the refugees desperately need medical and other assistance.

Barre wears a green plastic armband bearing a number which he must display if he wants to move around the base. Between 7pm and 5am, no one may leave or enter.

�We�re trapped,� said Barre. �We can�t use the railway because we�re told we�ll be killed and thrown off the trains. We�re scared of the taxi drivers. What can we do, madam?�

In an outpouring of bitterness and fear, Barre described South Africa as �a kind of hell�.

�I hate this country. Some of the black people in this country behave like animals.
They�re cruel and uneducated and can�t even show on a map where Somalia is. They�re too lazy to work. They want to sit down and be fed and looked after by the government. I created jobs through my shop. I worked very hard and tried at all times to be a good neighbour. But now I really hate your country and I�m sorry for feeling like this,� Barre said.

The official policy in Cape Town is to reintegrate the fugitives into the communities from which they were driven. But Barre, like many others, has no desire to return.

He has lost all trust in South Africans.

�We buried more than 50 of my countrymen in Cape Town in 2006. The government did nothing. Now people are talking about reintegration -- how will that work?

�They want me to go back and sleep next to the people who wanted to kill me! You can�t change the hearts of people so quickly.

�Even the kids in this country hate us. I want to go back to Somalia, even though there�s a war there.�