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esglumac
Joined: 02 Mar 2007 Location: In the middle of contractual litigation!!!
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Posted: Fri May 30, 2008 7:09 pm Post subject: University jobs |
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O.K. so maybe this as been done to death on here..but here goes.
I need the lowdown. Are they really as wonderful as every-one says...??
Most of the ones I see posted, say 16 teaching hours a week??? So is that
total hours you have to be at school??? What about unpaid teaching
hours??? Pension, taxes, empoloyee turnover, motivational levels of
students, outsourcing oppurtunites??? What about chances to do research
and publications???
All and all would it be worth leaving a public school contract 6 months early??? |
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bassexpander
Joined: 13 Sep 2007 Location: Someplace you'd rather be.
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Posted: Fri May 30, 2008 7:19 pm Post subject: |
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No. Finish your contract. |
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DCJames

Joined: 27 Jul 2006
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Posted: Fri May 30, 2008 8:15 pm Post subject: |
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The uni jobs seem to be getting worse in terms of pay and benefits...
16 hours a week is just the face to face teaching hours. You WILL spend more time in office doing paper work, grading papers, making tests, doing office hours. Basically it ends up like any other full-time job IF you want to do a good job.
It's not that hard to get a uni job out in the sticks even with just a Bachelors degree, but do you really want to work in the middle of nowhere?
A good stable hogwon job in a nice area of Seoul/Busan with good pay with housing included seems just as good as these uni jobs sometimes. |
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FUBAR
Joined: 21 Oct 2003 Location: The Y.C.
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Posted: Fri May 30, 2008 8:24 pm Post subject: Re: University jobs |
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esglumac wrote: |
O.K. so maybe this as been done to death on here..but here goes.
I need the lowdown. Are they really as wonderful as every-one says...??
Most of the ones I see posted, say 16 teaching hours a week??? So is that
total hours you have to be at school??? What about unpaid teaching
hours??? Pension, taxes, empoloyee turnover, motivational levels of
students, outsourcing oppurtunites??? What about chances to do research
and publications???
All and all would it be worth leaving a public school contract 6 months early??? |
I know that we're hiring at our school. However, we don't look at anyone that hasn't completed their contracts. |
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bassexpander
Joined: 13 Sep 2007 Location: Someplace you'd rather be.
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Posted: Fri May 30, 2008 8:57 pm Post subject: |
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I'd have to think that most unis who would consider hiring someone mid-contract must be desperate.
Given that, I'd avoid them. |
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esglumac
Joined: 02 Mar 2007 Location: In the middle of contractual litigation!!!
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Posted: Fri May 30, 2008 10:42 pm Post subject: |
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thanks guys...
I just don't know, everything in Korea seems so dodgy..
I was thinking it would be better, since, I am starting Graduate School.
I just don't know though  |
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esglumac
Joined: 02 Mar 2007 Location: In the middle of contractual litigation!!!
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Posted: Fri May 30, 2008 10:59 pm Post subject: |
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OK, so I will confess....
I just like the idea of a 4-day work week, so I can brush up on my Friday
Golf Game...  |
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Hyeon Een

Joined: 24 Jun 2005
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Posted: Sat May 31, 2008 1:17 am Post subject: |
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esglumac wrote: |
OK, so I will confess....
I just like the idea of a 4-day work week, so I can brush up on my Friday
Golf Game...  |
Having tried both, I prefer having Mondays off =)
Oh and to the other post above (DCJames) who said that a stable hagwan job in Seoul or Busan can be as good I must disagree. No matter how nice the hagwan the lack of vacation will be annoying after a while. I get 20 weeks over summer/winter plus only 4 days of work a week during term time (plus public holidays and festivals etc).. I probably only have to be in work 110-115 days a year. The average hagwan worker will be working about 240 days or more. (Weekends were included in that ballpark figure).
I do work fairly hard during my 4 days a week during the semester though with marking/prep/grading/submitting grades etc, but over the course of a year I think the job is much much better than a hagwan job. I find the actual work more rewarding than being in a hagwan too.
Of course some Unis are crap and no better than a hagwan. But I don't want to talk about those =) |
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ajgeddes

Joined: 28 Apr 2004 Location: Yongsan
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Posted: Sat May 31, 2008 2:54 am Post subject: |
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Yeah, I figure I work a max 90 days a year and that is if there are no holidays on any of my work days. |
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kiwiana
Joined: 29 Nov 2007
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Posted: Sat May 31, 2008 3:05 am Post subject: |
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yeah ajgeddes, like you, I love the fact that overall I work less than 2 days a week (hahaha, 1 day= 4hours) throughout the year and still get paid well over 3 million a month. A top tier uni job trumps any other non-Phd job in Korea hands down. |
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bassexpander
Joined: 13 Sep 2007 Location: Someplace you'd rather be.
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Posted: Sat May 31, 2008 5:47 am Post subject: |
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You don't have to publish? |
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jackson7
Joined: 01 Aug 2006 Location: Kim Jong Il's Future Fireball
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Posted: Sat May 31, 2008 6:36 am Post subject: |
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Yeah, I have to publish...comments on my facebook and twitter pages. Seriously, I work 3 days a week for a total of 15 hours contact time taking home just under 3 mil. a month before taxes, etc. 5 months vacation. Prep/grading time is less than 30 minutes per hour of contact time. I work with a few cool guys and my school and department are waaay laid back. They've expressed sincere interest in keeping me around as much as I've said I'd like to be around for a few more years. Compared to hagwons...yes...it's THAT good. Put in your time in the 'gwon (I think I remember some poster wanting to start some hagwon nickname slang...let's bring it back) and then work your with up through the uni system to shangri-la.
edit:don't type on sojuuuuuuuuuu  |
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kiwiana
Joined: 29 Nov 2007
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Posted: Sat May 31, 2008 8:01 am Post subject: |
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Publishing is not compulsory for regular English teaching jobs at universities in South Korea. One of my friends, an Anglo-American man, who works at one of the top 3 universities, has a Phd, is tenure track, and is expected to publish at least once a year in an a well recognised journal. I also have another Anglo-American friend who has a Phd, is non-tenure track, holds a position of responsibilty, and is also expected to publish once a year.
The deal is, if you are a Westerner and don't have a Phd, or hold a position of responsibility, you are not expected to publish. However, if you do choose to publish then I am adimant that a publication in the field of Second Language Acquisition would be looked upon quite highly among prospective employers. |
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ajgeddes

Joined: 28 Apr 2004 Location: Yongsan
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Posted: Sat May 31, 2008 10:47 am Post subject: |
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kiwiana wrote: |
yeah ajgeddes, like you, I love the fact that overall I work less than 2 days a week (hahaha, 1 day= 4hours) throughout the year and still get paid well over 3 million a month. A top tier uni job trumps any other non-Phd job in Korea hands down. |
hmmmmm.....it's possible we work at the same place. |
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kiwiana
Joined: 29 Nov 2007
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Posted: Sat May 31, 2008 5:41 pm Post subject: |
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highly likely |
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