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mises
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 Posted: Sun Jun 01, 2008 9:00 am Post subject: Christian preachers face arrest in..... |
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...The UK!
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A police community support officer ordered two Christian preachers to stop handing out gospel leaflets in a predominantly Muslim area of Birmingham.
The evangelists say they were threatened with arrest for committing a "hate crime" and were told they risked being beaten up if they returned. The incident will fuel fears that "no-go areas" for Christians are emerging in British towns and cities, as the Rt Rev Michael Nazir-Ali, the Bishop of Rochester, claimed in The Sunday Telegraph this year.
A police community support officer (PCSO) interrupted the conversation and began questioning the ministers about their beliefs.
"He said we were in a Muslim area and were not allowed to spread our Christian message. He said we were committing a hate crime by telling the youths to leave Islam and said that he was going to take us to the police station."
The preacher refused to give the PCSO his address because he felt the officer's manner was "threatening and intimidating".
The ministers claim he also advised them not to return to the area. As he walked away, the PCSO said: "You have been warned. If you come back here and get beaten up, well you have been warned".
West Midlands Police, who refused to apologise, said the incident had been "fully investigated" and the officer would be given training in understanding hate crime and communication.
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I'm sure the PCSO is a muslim who got his job by a multicultural shake down. Either way, he is enforcing sharia on non-muslims in the UK. |
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On the other hand
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| Posted: Sun Jun 01, 2008 12:44 pm Post subject: |
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I don't doubt that this could be a case of multicultural sensitivity run amuck. Because I know of that sort of thing happening in numerous locales. The Ezra Levant/Alberta Human Rights fiasco , for example.
However, in this particular instance, I'd like to hear from someone else besides an evangelical Christian street preacher. Because in my experience, those types tend to have a bit of a persecution complex, and I would not always trust them to give an accurate account of a conflict in which they were involved. At the very least, I'd be interested to hear what the cop had to say about the incident. |
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Julius
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| Posted: Sun Jun 01, 2008 6:36 pm Post subject: Re: Christian preachers face arrest in..... |
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| [b]"You have been warned. If you come back here and get beaten up, well you have been warned". |
...said PC Mohammed as he got out his guidelines to enforcing "Shariah Law" handbook. |
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CentralCali
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| Posted: Sun Jun 01, 2008 6:51 pm Post subject: |
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OP: Here is the direct link to the story.
Julius: Isn't that someone dressed in Sikh garb?
On the other hand: I agree with you. I'd like to see a non-biased report of the incident. A few years ago, a member of an Evangelist fraternity in Texas disrupted worship services at an LDS church. He blamed the children's frightened reaction on the children themselves. Somehow, I really don't think that the disruptor gave a valid description of the incident. |
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khyber
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| Posted: Sun Jun 01, 2008 7:35 pm Post subject: |
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The evangelists say they were threatened with arrest for committing a "hate crime" and were told they risked being beaten up if they returned. |
Pffft...big deal I've heard that hurled at street evangelists by non muslims by the carload. |
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ED209
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| Posted: Sun Jun 01, 2008 8:18 pm Post subject: |
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Julius: Isn't that someone dressed in Sikh garb?. |
Yeah that should be PC Singh. Although it was a PSCO, there not even real cops more like those apartment block ajoshi that chase you away from the recycling bins. Maybe PC Singh got beaten up for handing out Sikh scripture and was just passing on advice. Anyway I whole heartedly support these Christians right to get beaten up in Birmingham.
It also depends on how they were preaching. Some preachers using megaphones have received bans and ASBOs for the confrontational way they approach people. |
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desultude
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Yeah, a lot of ignorant people think that Sikhs are Muslim- I mean, they are all towel heads, right? 
I'm all for freedom of speech, and I will defend it even for street preachers and other such annoyances, but I sure understand anyone not wanting to be proselytized to. Going into a Muslim neighborhood and trying to preach the Christian gospel is rude and stupid.
Reminds me of the Korean missionaries who were proselytizing in Afghanistan. Such behavior is ignorant and culturally imperialistic. |
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bigverne
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| Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 1:08 am Post subject: |
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| Anyway I whole heartedly support these Christians right to get beaten up in Birmingham. |
You don't find it a bit worrying that a Muslim PCSO is seemingly enforcing the intolerant will of the Muslim community and not the law of the land? Handing out leaflets, or even talking to people about Christianity is not illegal. If you do not agree with such people you can either throw their leaflets in the bin, or shut the door in their face. |
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bigverne
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| Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 1:13 am Post subject: |
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| Going into a Muslim neighborhood and trying to preach the Christian gospel is rude and stupid. |
Says the dhimmified fool. Going to Saudi Arabia or Iran to preach the Christian gospel maybe rude and stupid, but it is not in the UK. Muslims do not have the right to decide, in contradiction to UK law, who may or may not enter 'their' areas, and whether or not these people may choose to spread their beliefs. If they are indeed so offended, perhaps they should decide to buy a one-way ticket to the Islamic paradises from whence they came. I think we'd probably all be happier that way.
For what it's worth I would have no problem with Muslims coming to my 'White' area of London and preaching, and I would not think it rude or stupid. Such is the nature of a free society, unlike that backward Islamic hell hole you find yourself in. |
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nicholas_chiasson
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| Really I wouldn't give a damn if some muslim knocked on my door and tried to convert me to Islam. The problem is most people convert to Islam because someone pointed something sharp at them and said "convert to Islam or die" or said "Pay these crazy taxes or convert to Islam!". Christianity used to spread that way too, but we got upset by that about 1500 or so, and now we just give people little chick tracks,. |
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desultude
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| Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 4:34 am Post subject: |
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| nicholas_chiasson wrote: |
| Really I wouldn't give a damn if some muslim knocked on my door and tried to convert me to Islam. The problem is most people convert to Islam because someone pointed something sharp at them and said "convert to Islam or die" or said "Pay these crazy taxes or convert to Islam!". Christianity used to spread that way too, but we got upset by that about 1500 or so, and now we just give people little chick tracks,. |
I would- but I feel likewise about the Witnesses, the Christian Scientists, the Mormons, the Hari Khrisnas or anyone else wanting to interupt whatever I am doing so they can sell me a belief system.
By the way, the guy in question (Brit cop) is a Sikh (if that was a picture of him), not a Muslim- please don't ask a Sikh guarding the Golden Temple in Amritsar if he is a Muslim- if you want your head on your shoulders long!
But, as I said, to some all "towel heads" look the same.
Ignorance knows no bounds.
By the way, I live in Saudi Arabia, and no one seems very interested in converting me.  |
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mises
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| Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 6:06 am Post subject: |
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| CentralCali wrote: |
Julius: Isn't that someone dressed in Sikh garb? |
That isn't a picture of the cop in question. It is just some file photo. The cop in question was a muslim. |
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happeningthang
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| bigverne wrote: |
| You don't find it a bit worrying that a Muslim PCSO is seemingly enforcing the intolerant will of the Muslim community and not the law of the land? Handing out leaflets, or even talking to people about Christianity is not illegal. If you do not agree with such people you can either throw their leaflets in the bin, or shut the door in their face. |
Do we know for sure that the PSCO is a muslim? It wasn't mentioned in the article that I saw.
I'd support those who say we need more perspective here than just those of the evangelicists. Perhaps the PSCO was trying to point out it was a provocative move to preach in a muslim area and they should be careful? |
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mises
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| Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 6:14 am Post subject: |
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| desultude wrote: |
Reminds me of the Korean missionaries who were proselytizing in Afghanistan. Such behavior is ignorant and culturally imperialistic. |
Somebody doesn't follow the issues...
Yes, there is cultural imperialism going on in places like the UK. But it is 180degrees opposite of what apologist dhimmnis like you might believe. The UK is not a muslim country and expecting muslims to conform to UK tradition isn't imperialism it is sanity.
But these are at bottom third world people with a third world mentality. islam stunts emotional and cultural development and leaves even grown men with the emotional stability of a small child. This is why they cry to the government at every small problem in their lives. Waaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. They drew a cartoon about my god. Wahhhhhhhh. |
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mises
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| Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 6:16 am Post subject: |
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| happeningthang wrote: |
| bigverne wrote: |
| You don't find it a bit worrying that a Muslim PCSO is seemingly enforcing the intolerant will of the Muslim community and not the law of the land? Handing out leaflets, or even talking to people about Christianity is not illegal. If you do not agree with such people you can either throw their leaflets in the bin, or shut the door in their face. |
Do we know for sure that the PSCO is a muslim? It wasn't mentioned in the article that I saw.
I'd support those who say we need more perspective here than just those of the evangelicists. Perhaps the PSCO was trying to point out it was a provocative move to preach in a muslim area and they should be careful? |
1) Yes. muslim. Check follow up articles.
2) Being "provocative" isn't a crime. The PSCO also threatened them with violence.
Are you conforming to and defending a third world view of law and order? It should sounds like it. |
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