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Nowhere Man



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PostPosted: Wed May 28, 2008 9:50 am    Post subject: Google to host New Orleans debate Reply with quote

possibly with 3rd party participants...


Sorry, but I don't have a proper link to this, but as I understand it, Google wants to host its own presidential debate this fall.

[EDIT: I'm posting the link from later in the thread:]

http://tinyurl.com/5gq67c

Google is apparently sympathetic to demand for 3rd party representation at debates, and Nader is of course sympathetic to Google's position.

I think it's an outstanding idea. Why?

1) Debates are free advertising for the big 2. Share the wealth.

2) Where there are only 2 parties involved, the talk is narrowed to the Big 2's party platforms.

3) Third parties get shafted 3 ways to Sunday in our current system.

4) We're talking one debate. Why do all the debates have to have the same format and be hosted by a very limited number of entitties? Variety would be nice.

Love to hear thoughts as well as get any links to this.


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Ya-ta Boy



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PostPosted: Wed May 28, 2008 12:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can you explain more about the format? Right now I have visions of candidates at computers furiously typing away, making all sorts of grammar and spelling mistakes, a la Dan Quayle.
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mises



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PostPosted: Wed May 28, 2008 12:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe they would be like the excellent "Authors at Google" video series?

http://www.google.com/talks/authors/index.html
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Nowhere Man



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PostPosted: Wed May 28, 2008 2:19 pm    Post subject: ... Reply with quote

Well, based on what I read, they're suggesting a debate similar to the ones we already have in the sense that the candidates would be up on stage and whatnot. The key difference is that it would be broadcast on the net instead of TV. So, the conundrum here was whether the candidates would accept such a debate IF the 3rd parties were also allowed to participate.

That may seem not-so-different, but consider also that network TV and CNN do the Big 2 the favor of themselves (the networks) not allowing the 3rd parties into their debates. If Google were to host a debate where the 3rd's were invited , that would put the ball in the candidates' courts. Given that they're trying to present themselves as able to lead the nation, I don't think they'd have much leeway to decline. It would look a bit cowardly.

I believe all this is linked to Google owning Youtube and expanding on the youtube questioners featured in one of the early debates.
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Kuros



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PostPosted: Wed May 28, 2008 7:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree that third-parties should be allowed into their debate, unless this is their third run for President, in which case they should be ignored.
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Nowhere Man



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PostPosted: Fri May 30, 2008 9:13 am    Post subject: ... Reply with quote

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I agree that third-parties should be allowed into their debate, unless this is their third run for President, in which case they should be ignored.


That might make a modicum of sense if he'd been allowed in the debates each time he ran. At the end of the day, it's not about Nader so much as it is about 3rd parties in general. Still, I suppose there will always be cheerleaders for the 2-party stranglehold. Whatever.

Anyway, found more:

Quote:
The YouTube-Google presidential forum set for this September could usher in a new era for citizen involvement in presidential debates. Or it could be a total flop. Either way, say Internet consultants, it offers a significant challenge to the previously undisputed masters of the debate process: The Commission on Presidential Debates.

"Will [the commission] embrace it or will they shun it?" wonders Republican web consultant David All, one of a group of Internet consultants who pressured Republican hopefuls to take part in this year's CNN-YouTube debate. At the very least, All says, the forum could force the commission into the 21st century, something critics say it has resisted for far too long.

The Commission's Executive Director Janet Brown told Politics magazine that the commission is debating format changes that will introduce some new interactive elements to this year's official debates. While Brown wouldn't comment on the proposed YouTube-Google forum, she did say the changes to the commission's format are forthcoming and will strike a balance between involving more citizens in the process and maintaining the appropriate tone for a presidential debate.

"It's a matter of figuring out which [interactive] elements are helpful to viewers and actually add something to the discussion and which elements are just distracting," Brown says. "We're not Entertainment Tonight," she adds.

In short, don't expect something resembling the CNN-YouTube debates.


http://tinyurl.com/5gq67c

This, in turn, brings up the Commission on Presidential Elections, who, in contrast to my media emphasis, are actually behind the debates as of now:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commission_on_Presidential_Debates

They describe themselves as "non-partisan, non-profit", but "bipartisan, corporate-funded" is a far more transparent description.
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agentX



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PostPosted: Sat May 31, 2008 8:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think it's a wonderful idea to have a 3rd-party only debate.

I would love to see Cynthia McKinney go up on stage against John Bowles (the White people's candidate) and hopefully kick his ass.
It would also prove amusing to see Brian Moore of the Socialist party go up against Bob Barr. Battle of the Crazies!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_third_party_presidential_candidates%2C_2008
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Kuros



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 01, 2008 6:05 pm    Post subject: Re: ... Reply with quote

Nowhere Man wrote:
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I agree that third-parties should be allowed into their debate, unless this is their third run for President, in which case they should be ignored.


That might make a modicum of sense if he'd been allowed in the debates each time he ran.


It makes more than a modicum of sense. Nader is an irritation candidate, as are many 3rd party candidates. This consideration should be factor in before all 3rd party candidates are simply allowed airtime.
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Nowhere Man



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 02, 2008 7:45 am    Post subject: ... Reply with quote

Oh yes. Excellent point.

No "irritation candidates".

Very substantive.

But I'm all for it. Of course, if we get rid of all the irritation candidates, then Gary Coleman might run for president unopposed.

This is pretty interesting:

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4052162

So, other than having a Nader hate-on, what do you think about the Commission on Presidential Debates, Kuros?

By the way, I do like Nader, but I'd like to see a new Green candidate. In any case, I'm voting for McCain this fall and in 2012 for him or his replacement GOP-er. Gotta love our system. Electoral College FTW!

I'm even going to remove Nader from the thread title just to make you happy.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 02, 2008 8:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

All debates should be open to any Presidential candidate who has qualified for enough state ballots to have a theoretical chance of being elected by the Electoral College.
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