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Tiger Beer
Joined: 07 Feb 2003
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 Posted: Sun May 25, 2008 12:00 am Post subject: Survivalists on the rise |
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http://green.yahoo.com/news/ap/20080524/ap_on_re_us/environmental_survivalists.html
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Convinced the planet's oil supply is dwindling and the world's economies are heading for a crash, some people around the country are moving onto homesteads, learning to live off their land, conserving fuel and, in some cases, stocking up on guns they expect to use to defend themselves and their supplies from desperate crowds of people who didn't prepare.
The exact number of people taking such steps is impossible to determine, but anecdotal evidence suggests that the movement has been gaining momentum in the last few years.
These energy survivalists are not leading some sort of green revolution meant to save the planet. Many of them believe it is too late for that, seeing signs in soaring fuel and food prices and a faltering U.S. economy, and are largely focused on saving themselves.
Some are doing it quietly, giving few details of their preparations � afraid that revealing such information as the location of their supplies will endanger themselves and their loved ones. They envision a future in which the nation's cities will be filled with hungry, desperate refugees forced to go looking for food, shelter and water.
"There's going to be things that happen when people can't get things that they need for themselves and their families," said Lynn-Marie, who believes cities could see a rise in violence as early as 2012. |
(Much more in the article) |
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wannago
Joined: 16 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Sun May 25, 2008 12:37 am Post subject: |
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| Grizzly Adams returns? |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Sun May 25, 2008 1:35 am Post subject: |
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Chicken Little is the patron saint of survivalists.
For the survivalists in Idaho, just where do they think the hungry hoardes are going to be coming from? Montana? |
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OneWayTraffic
Joined: 14 Mar 2005
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| Posted: Sun May 25, 2008 6:47 am Post subject: |
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| Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
Chicken Little is the patron saint of survivalists.
For the survivalists in Idaho, just where do they think the hungry hoardes are going to be coming from? Montana? |
It seems every generation has it's survialists. Remember, they only have to be right once. And that country lifestyle has it's attractions anyway.
Meanwhile, cellulosic ethanol and algae biofuel are being commericalized, nuclear fission and fusion are making inroads and solar and wind are growing at 20% a year. |
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mole
Joined: 06 Feb 2003
Location: Act III
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| Posted: Sun May 25, 2008 12:51 pm Post subject: |
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The sky IS falling, don't you know?
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GRAND DELUSION
Wake Up, America. We're Driving Toward Disaster.
By James Howard Kunstler
Sunday, May 25, 2008; Page B03
Everywhere I go these days, talking about the global energy predicament on the college lecture circuit or at environmental conferences, I hear an increasingly shrill cry for "solutions." This is just another symptom of the delusional thinking that now grips the nation, especially among the educated and well-intentioned.
I say this because I detect in this strident plea the desperate wish to keep our "Happy Motoring" utopia running by means other than oil and its byproducts. But the truth is that no combination of solar, wind and nuclear power, ethanol, biodiesel, tar sands and used French-fry oil will allow us to power Wal-Mart, Disney World and the interstate highway system -- or even a fraction of these things -- in the future. We have to make other arrangements.
The public, and especially the mainstream media, misunderstands the "peak oil" story. It's not about running out of oil. It's about the instabilities that will shake the complex systems of daily life as soon as the global demand for oil exceeds the global supply. These systems can be listed concisely:
The way we produce food
The way we conduct commerce and trade
The way we travel
The way we occupy the land
The way we acquire and spend capital
And there are others: governance, health care, education and more.
As the world passes the all-time oil production high and watches as the price of a barrel of oil busts another record, as it did last week, these systems will run into trouble. Instability in one sector will bleed into another. Shocks to the oil markets will hurt trucking, which will slow commerce and food distribution, manufacturing and the tourist industry in a chain of cascading effects. Problems in finance will squeeze any enterprise that requires capital, including oil exploration and production, as well as government spending. These systems are all interrelated. They all face a crisis. What's more, the stress induced by the failure of these systems will only increase the wishful thinking across our nation.
And that's the worst part of our quandary: the American public's narrow focus on keeping all our cars running at any cost. Even the environmental community is hung up on this. The Rocky Mountain Institute has been pushing for the development of a "Hypercar" for years -- inadvertently promoting the idea that we really don't need to change. |
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djsmnc
Joined: 20 Jan 2003
Location: Dave's ESL Cafe
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| Posted: Sun May 25, 2008 5:02 pm Post subject: |
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| I saw that article earlier and thought it read a bit like the preparation for a zombie attack! |
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mole
Joined: 06 Feb 2003
Location: Act III
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| Posted: Sun May 25, 2008 11:25 pm Post subject: |
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Not zombies.
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......Major disruptions for the USEconomy are coming soon, from corruption, from stupidity, from legislation, from failed banks due to bond fraud, from designed addiction to oil in lieu of nuclear or alternatives, from consequences of three decades of monetary inflation, from honed horrendous heretic economic counsel, from abandoned factories, and from magnificent control of the network media sufficient to render an entire nation helplessly and hopelessly ignorant."
http://www.gold-eagle.com/editorials...lie052208.html |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
Location: retired
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| Posted: Mon May 26, 2008 11:15 am Post subject: |
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The change from a car-centric economy to one with more walkable cities, public transit and the like will be the force that moves the American economy forward in the coming years. Smug Canadians, it will be absolutely no different for you/us either.
If you're a 20-something guy with no real career options in sight, this could be your savior. The North American economy is changing very quickly and it is possible to get in on the new careers, investments and trends early.
So, instead of posting about how America will collapse etc etc maybe head home and get into a good civil engineering, venture capital, agriculture, civic planning or similar graduate program and take off the god damed tinfoil hats. Calm down. The economy will recover and move forward along more stable foundations. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Tue May 27, 2008 12:50 am Post subject: |
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| Ron Paul ReVOLution. |
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mole
Joined: 06 Feb 2003
Location: Act III
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| Posted: Tue May 27, 2008 10:37 pm Post subject: |
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| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
| Ron Paul ReVOLution. |
Yes. Still alive and well.
Thanks! |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Wed May 28, 2008 3:02 am Post subject: |
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| The survivalists of the 1980s gave rise to the white christian racist terrorists of the 1990s. I wonder if history will repeat itself. Maybe another democrat in office. This time, oh my god, a black man. |
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Manner of Speaking
Joined: 09 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Fri May 30, 2008 1:25 am Post subject: |
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| mises wrote: |
| The change from a car-centric economy to one with more walkable cities, public transit and the like will be the force that moves the American economy forward in the coming years. Smug Canadians, it will be absolutely no different for you/us either. |
Yes, you're right there. Energy inefficiency is even worse in Canada.
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| So, instead of posting about how America will collapse etc etc maybe head home and get into a good civil engineering, venture capital, agriculture, civic planning or similar graduate program and take off the god damed tinfoil hats. Calm down. The economy will recover and move forward along more stable foundations. |
Actually, speaking as a former urban planning student, the planners have done more to make this mess than just about anybody else...planners don't make Canadian cities, developers do. And the planners do whatever the developers want. Hence the spread of energy inefficient suburban wastelands as far as the eye can see. |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
Location: retired
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| Posted: Fri May 30, 2008 8:09 am Post subject: |
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| I'm of the opinion that the suburban expansion is over, in large part due to rising oil prices. The next growth area in development will be figuring out how to create actual cities out of the nonsense in (for Canadian examples) Edmonton, Regina, Winnipeg. I'm a big fan of the "New Urbanists". |
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Julius
Joined: 27 Jul 2006
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| Posted: Fri May 30, 2008 8:20 am Post subject: |
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| mindmetoo wrote: |
| The survivalists of the 1980s gave rise to the white christian racist terrorists of the 1990s. |
Don't get too tongue-tied now.
Last i heard it was the dirty white commune hippies who gave rise to the fascist materialistic baby boomer capitalist dropout eslteachers that fled to korea. |
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mole
Joined: 06 Feb 2003
Location: Act III
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| Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 12:59 am Post subject: |
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| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
| Ron Paul ReVOLution. |
Who's with US? |
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