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bacasper



Joined: 26 Mar 2007

PostPosted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 6:50 pm    Post subject: Paul to hold rival convention Reply with quote

If he is going to do this, he should have run as the Libertarian candidate or an independent. Anyway, hopefully it will some effect.

Paul to hold rival event during GOP convention

By KELLEY SHANNON, Associated Press Writer
Tue Jun 10, 5:55 PM ET


AUSTIN, Texas - Republican presidential candidate Ron Paul is planning a daylong rally in Minnesota during the Republican National Convention that could draw attention from the presumed nominee John McCain.

The Texas congressman with a devoted following has tentatively reserved the Williams Arena at the University of Minnesota on Sept. 2, the second day of the GOP convention.

"We plan on having a large rally," said Paul spokesman Jesse Benton. "We want it to be a celebration of Republican values and what the Republican Party has traditionally stood for."

Benton also said Paul wants to send a message to the GOP "that we need to return to our roots" of limited government and personal responsibility.

The Republican Party will be gathering at the Xcel Energy Center in St. Paul for its four-day event that will end with McCain accepting his party's nomination.

University of Minnesota spokesman Dan Wolter confirmed in an e-mail that the Paul campaign has a hold on Williams Arena in Minneapolis, Minn.

Supporters of Paul have been pushing for him to have a speaking role at the Republican convention. In the latest Associated Press tally, Paul had 24 delegates.

The Pittsburgh Tribune-Review first reported on its Web site about the Paul event.
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Kuros



Joined: 27 Apr 2004

PostPosted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 9:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

To be fair, Ron Paul's delegate total is diminished by losses in winner-take-all states.

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- Alaska. Paul hoped to win a symbolic victory here, but he came in 3rd with 17 percent of the vote. Good enough for 5 delegates out of 26.

- Arizona. A poor 4 percent and no delegates. (McCain got all 50.)

- Colorado. Fourth place and 8 percent of the vote, but no delegates.

- Minnesota. Paul rounded out the top four with a not-bad 16 percent of the vote. But it was a winner-take-all race and Mitt Romney got all 38 delegates.

- Montana. Second with 25 percent of the caucus votes, but in a winner-take-all state he walked away with no delegates.

- North Dakota. Third place with 21 percent of the vote, good for 5 delegates out of 23.


I think the Ron Paul campaign was money-strong but organizationally weak. It was fond of visual ads (a blimp?) and good on the net, but worthless in terms of canvassing and phone-banking.
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Ya-ta Boy



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 9:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can't find the official numbers but from what I did see, RP raised over $34 million and has about $8 million left over.

Hmmm... 34-8 = 26

He has 24 delegates, so that works out to be $1 million per delegate. They'd be a bargain at twice the price. He shouldn't be such a tightwad. I think his family members deserve a raise for their hard work.
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bacasper



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 10:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

RP would have more delegates if it weren't for the documented voting irregularities.
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JustJohn



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 10:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

He might be slightly crazy but he's the only one who I know understands what's going on with the economy and thus won't accidentally cause another great depression.


Still as hopeless as it's ever been in my opinion, but it's idiocy to vote for anyone else, while it's only insanity to vote for him, so what the heck. Go Ron Paul!
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Kuros



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 10:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

JustJohn wrote:
He might be slightly crazy but he's the only one who I know understands what's going on with the economy and thus won't accidentally cause another great depression.

Still as hopeless as it's ever been in my opinion, but it's idiocy to vote for anyone else, while it's only insanity to vote for him, so what the heck. Go Ron Paul!


If by understanding the economy you mean advocating neutering and straight-jacketing the Fed, then I guess you're right. Not that I think that's a bad thing, but I think he's an underwhelming candidate on the other 99 major issues.
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bacasper



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 11:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kuros wrote:
JustJohn wrote:
He might be slightly crazy but he's the only one who I know understands what's going on with the economy and thus won't accidentally cause another great depression.

Still as hopeless as it's ever been in my opinion, but it's idiocy to vote for anyone else, while it's only insanity to vote for him, so what the heck. Go Ron Paul!


If by understanding the economy you mean advocating neutering and straight-jacketing the Fed, then I guess you're right. Not that I think that's a bad thing, but I think he's an underwhelming candidate on the other 99 major issues.

Just abolishing the Fed would have a great salutary effect, beginning with saving billions of dollars in interest on the money it lends the government to operate.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 11:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What casper said is significant of course, but what I was talking about is this:

The feds are trying to implement all these stopgaps to skirt the recession but if you look at where we're at with all the stuff that's happened recently it should be pretty obvious that none of their efforts are going to smooth things over.

By prolonging the whole thing their just going to make the fall that much harder. If you ask me they've already turned what would be a minor recession into a significant one, and if they're allowed to keep stringing things along it will be a major recession at best, possibly a depression once it finally happens.


I happen to want to go back and have a career in the states right now, so you'll just have to forgive my selfishness. As long as his other policies aren't that bad (and they aren't, in my opinion) then I'm probably going to vote with my wallet.
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Kuros



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 1:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

JustJohn wrote:
By prolonging the whole thing their just going to make the fall that much harder. If you ask me they've already turned what would be a minor recession into a significant one, and if they're allowed to keep stringing things along it will be a major recession at best, possibly a depression once it finally happens.


First of all, are you really comfortable describing this long-in-coming mortgage crisis as a 'minor recession?'

Secondly, it will probably be a significant recession, and probably would have been at least significant recession anyway, but I doubt the monetary policy of the Fed alone will make it a full-on stagflationful depression. Here's why.
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