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Possible to work at 2 winter camps?

 
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bourquetheman



Joined: 18 Aug 2003
Location: Suwon

PostPosted: Sun Nov 16, 2003 5:44 am    Post subject: Possible to work at 2 winter camps? Reply with quote

I've read the winter camps thread, and I understand getting a letter of permission (from my university for example) and the C4 visa, which I read is good for 3 months. My question is this, I have been offered one winter camp, and I'm waiting to hear back about another one as well. There are 2 weeks between the ending of one, and the beginning of another, so that's not a problem. Also my university has no problem with the permission letter, so basically I wonder if it's possible to get TWO C4 visas to work at 2 different camps? Anyone know or done this before? I would be very appreciative if you do.
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Medic



Joined: 11 Mar 2003

PostPosted: Sun Nov 16, 2003 5:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why do you need the C4 visa if your university gives you permission? You shouldn't have to get the C4 visa. That's for part timers who come from another country. Doesn't make sense.
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J.B. Clamence



Joined: 15 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Sun Nov 16, 2003 5:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have the same thoughts as Medic. If you came to Korea just to work at the camp, then you need the C-4 temporary visa, but since you got permission from your employer to work at the camp, I'm assuming that you already have a visa which is valid for that time period. If you already have a visa, you don't need another one. You just need a letter for each of the camps you want to work at.

By the way, make sure you tell the camps that you already have a visa, because if they apply for a C-4 visa on your behalf, you can get into trouble with immigration, because it's against Korean law to make a fresh application for a new visa when you already have a valid one. They'll get suspicious, and may think you did a runner from your current job.
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Medic



Joined: 11 Mar 2003

PostPosted: Sun Nov 16, 2003 6:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Another question. If your university will give you permission, then I'm assuming immigration will accept the letter from your university. Is there any stipulation anywhere in the immigration laws that says there are conditions where they wont give permission to work? We had a problem down here in Taegu where we were told by immigration that it's illegal to do extra work in the vacations unless you were working simultaneosly at your university.
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Chonbuk



Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Vancouver

PostPosted: Sun Nov 16, 2003 2:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi-

The C4 is a short term visa. Even if you are working at a university it is necessary to have this visa stamped into your passport. It is only valid for the direct time of the camp, so if you were doing 2 camps they would extend it to cover both dates, but you would have to get all the paper work done by both schools as well as your univerisity.

Even if your school does know and does give you permission to work at these camps it isn't legal until you get it all registered with Immigration.

They are the the big boys around here, and they want/need to be in the know.

I'm not sure about Medic's question. It should be okay if the E2 school says okay and the C4 school says okay. Does your school give you paid vacations??? if so than it would be considered simultaneous??

wondering-

still waiting on winter camps- anybody know any good ones in Daejeon???
pm me please.

Chonbuk
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J.B. Clamence



Joined: 15 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Mon Nov 17, 2003 5:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chonbuk wrote:
Hi-

The C4 is a short term visa. Even if you are working at a university it is necessary to have this visa stamped into your passport.


So, you're saying that even if you have an E-1 (professor) visa for the time period which the camps take place, you still need a C-4 which runs simultaneously with the E-1? I may be mistaken, but that doesn't seem to make much sense. Why would you need two visas at the same time? I don't think that's legal.
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bourquetheman



Joined: 18 Aug 2003
Location: Suwon

PostPosted: Mon Nov 17, 2003 3:38 pm    Post subject: Chonbuk sounds right... Reply with quote

Yeah I believe what Chonbuk says is correct. Just because you get a permission letter, it does NOT make it legal unless you take that to immigration and get the temporary visa. That is what I had thought, I had just wondered if it was possible to do two camps, I'll have to check in with it. I heard back from one camp, and it's pretty legit as it's sponsored by one of the provincial governments. Still waiting to hear back from the other one, so the point could be moot anyway if it doesn't come through. Still thanks for everyone's advice................
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bourquetheman



Joined: 18 Aug 2003
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 18, 2003 4:11 am    Post subject: Really got to check... Reply with quote

Well I heard back from the other camp too, so I've been offered BOTH camps and they are different times, so that isn't a problem. Also the university giving me a letter to do both isn't a problem, I just wonder will immigration be complicated? I'll try and find out..................
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Medic



Joined: 11 Mar 2003

PostPosted: Fri Nov 21, 2003 6:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Immigration is obliged to OK any work that is sanctioned by the university. They have to. The only problem you might have would be the jealousy of the people at immigration, and or the jealousy of your co-workers. You better tell all the people you know a lie, and that you will be getting very low paye for all of your extra work.
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Derrek



Joined: 15 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Fri Nov 21, 2003 5:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sounds like you guys might be "in the know"...

A PR Firm in town wants me to work for them on-the-side. I'm here on an E-2 Visa, and want to work for them, but I want to make it legal.

Would a C-4 in addition to my E-2 work?

Thanks!
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J.B. Clamence



Joined: 15 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Fri Nov 21, 2003 9:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Derrek wrote:
A PR Firm in town wants me to work for them on-the-side. I'm here on an E-2 Visa, and want to work for them, but I want to make it legal.

Would a C-4 in addition to my E-2 work?


Well, the first step is to get your school to approve it in writing. Then take it to immigration and ask them what you need to do (sorry, I'm not really sure).
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Derrek



Joined: 15 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Sat Nov 22, 2003 6:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

J.B. Clamence wrote:
Derrek wrote:
A PR Firm in town wants me to work for them on-the-side. I'm here on an E-2 Visa, and want to work for them, but I want to make it legal.

Would a C-4 in addition to my E-2 work?


Well, the first step is to get your school to approve it in writing. Then take it to immigration and ask them what you need to do (sorry, I'm not really sure).


Yeah, my hagwon will write a letter stating I can. I just heard on here from someone that immigrations might not approve it if the other business is not a "liscensed hagwon".
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