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Adventurer



Joined: 28 Jan 2006

PostPosted: Mon Jun 02, 2008 9:48 pm    Post subject: Koreans and democracy... Reply with quote

It appears that Lee Myung Bak heard the protests of the people. Though I thought many of the Koreans protesting (not all) were protesting out of ignorance, I respect their right to protest. I also can appreciate the president responding to their will somewhat. He should have consulted people before simply accepting American beef. I do think American beef is relatively safe, but he could have accepted cows only younger than a certain age. Anyway, ignorance exists in all countries and Korea is not an exception.
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Bigfeet



Joined: 29 May 2008
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 02, 2008 10:21 pm    Post subject: Re: Koreans and democracy... Reply with quote

Adventurer wrote:
Anyway, ignorance exists in all countries and Korea is not an exception.


Yep, Korea doesn't corner the market in this respect. I've seen a lot of ridiculous over-reactions in the US too and I'm susceptible to it myself.
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Ya-ta Boy



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 02, 2008 10:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If your popularity plummeted to 22% in 100 days, you might reassess the way you are governing, too.

Can God Save Mr. Bulldozer?
What did Lee do wrong? Some say it was his signing of a beef import deal with the US that poses, in the minds of some South Koreans, a health hazard. In fact, that was the most immediate and pressing motivation behind Lee's public apology. Yet many also indicate his insensitivity to the needs of his people. Also, it was his unwillingness to give more political room for his intra-party rival, Park Geun-hye. It was also his inconsistency on putting conditions over North Korea's food aid. It was also his "English immersion" educational initiative that went against national sentiment. It was also his selecting wrong aides, many of them turned out to belong to the richest 1% in the nation.

Essentially, however, all of these - even the US beef import deal - are only on the sidelines of the real issue: Lee's much-celebrated "bulldozer" leadership style that was so successful in his business career. Now, as president, he wants to run the country as its chief executive officer (CEO). In a meeting in Washington, Lee actually proclaimed he is the "CEO of South Korea". This attitude is his real problem.

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Korea/JE29Dg01.html
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Adventurer



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 02, 2008 11:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I will admit, I don't like how he side-lined so many people from his own party just because they were Park Chung-Hee's daughter's people. You can't afford to burn your bridges like that. He also should have consulted properly on the beef issue. Even if people on Dave's want to say there is so much ignorance out there, we also have tons of ignorance in our countries but in different areas. People here are more likely to buy into conspiracy theories, but the fact that Lee handled things improperly made it easy for the conspiracy theorists to gain ground, and he embarassed his own political party. However, I believe he can redeem himself.
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Bigfeet



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 02, 2008 11:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's a problem with democracies, it's more about mob rule. We don't really want to elect leaders, we want to elect lackeys.
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Otherside



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 02, 2008 11:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

On the other hand, Presidents in Korea are only allowed to serve a single term. So provided it doesn't lead to out right revolution, he can push his agendas through without having to worry about re-election...
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pkang0202



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 02, 2008 11:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

10,000 koreans protest with a population of 50,000,000.

Sounds like a minority opinion to me.

The Netizens of Korea remind me of the MoveOn.org group in the US. Sure, they make a lot of noise but the majority of people think they are crazy.
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endo



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 02, 2008 11:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Otherside wrote:
On the other hand, Presidents in Korea are only allowed to serve a single term. So provided it doesn't lead to out right revolution, he can push his agendas through without having to worry about re-election...


I don't think that's correct. They're allowed to serve two terms.
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Ya-ta Boy



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 02, 2008 11:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I don't think that's correct. They're allowed to serve two terms.


No, they're not. Only one 5-year term. I think Park Chung-Hee cured them of wanting anyone to hang around longer.
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endo



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 02, 2008 11:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ya-ta Boy wrote:
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I don't think that's correct. They're allowed to serve two terms.


No, they're not. Only one 5-year term. I think Park Chung-Hee cured them of wanting anyone to hang around longer.



On second thought I think you're right.

For some reason I thought Noh Moo-hyun was re-elected during the tank incident in 2002.

My bad.
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Bryan



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 12:21 am    Post subject: Re: Koreans and democracy... Reply with quote

Adventurer wrote:
It appears that Lee Myung Bak heard the protests of the people. Though I thought many of the Koreans protesting (not all) were protesting out of ignorance, I respect their right to protest. I also can appreciate the president responding to their will somewhat.


I wouldn't respect a man for cow towing to people's idiocy. It takes a real leader to stick to something right in the face of moronic opposition.
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Adventurer



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 3:15 am    Post subject: Re: Koreans and democracy... Reply with quote

Bryan wrote:
Adventurer wrote:
It appears that Lee Myung Bak heard the protests of the people. Though I thought many of the Koreans protesting (not all) were protesting out of ignorance, I respect their right to protest. I also can appreciate the president responding to their will somewhat.


I wouldn't respect a man for cow towing to people's idiocy. It takes a real leader to stick to something right in the face of moronic opposition.


No matter what thinks of the public, it is democratic to hear what the people have to say. Also, he did not consult adequately regarding the issue before approving whatever he approved. Don't the people of Korea have a right to determine their destiny in a democracy?
Anyway, people in his own party were divided thanks to him, and many of them didn't support his actions. He had no real choice in the matter.
He is not Park Chung-Hee, and it is 2008.
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Cotal Tunt



Joined: 23 Apr 2008
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 3:55 am    Post subject: Re: Koreans and democracy... Reply with quote

Bryan wrote:
Adventurer wrote:
It appears that Lee Myung Bak heard the protests of the people. Though I thought many of the Koreans protesting (not all) were protesting out of ignorance, I respect their right to protest. I also can appreciate the president responding to their will somewhat.


I wouldn't respect a man for cow towing to people's idiocy. It takes a real leader to stick to something right in the face of moronic opposition.


Yep, he's cracked, and just like the class you let bend your will, good luck in reeling them back in.

He should have worked in a hagwon before his attempt at Korean politics!
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Ya-ta Boy



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 9:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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For some reason I thought Noh Moo-hyun was re-elected during the tank incident in 2002.


He was elected following Kim Dae-Jung and followed most of his policies. Kind of a KDJ II. Maybe that was the confusion.
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