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Tony [ATEK]
Joined: 03 May 2008 Location: ATEK Media Relations Officer
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Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 2:23 am Post subject: ATEK Board Meeting Agenda & Info |
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The ATEK Founding Board will be meeting this Sunday, to decide a whole host of issues, policies, and directions, as we move from planning to deployment/implementation.
This is a draft copy of this weekend's agenda, followed by a Work Breakdown Structure (you project managers can critique me...my project management skills are largely self-taught), which outlines what we need to do to deploy ATEK nationally.
We welcome your comments, concerns, and cautions.
Association for Teachers of English in Korea
AGENDA
6/7/08
I. Board Roles � Article A
A. Vote to Accept the Founding Board Structure Proposal
II. Membership Management
A. Volunteer Coordination � Article B
-1) Intake & Selection � What information will we collect, and how will we select volunteers?
-2) Who will be the Volunteer Coordinator?
B. Member Benefit Management � Article C
-1) Selection of Initial Benefits
-2) Selection of Benefits in Development (launching 3-6 months)
-3) Selection Benefits to be Explored Later (more than 6 months)
-4) Development of a System to Identify New Potential Benefits for Members
C. Incoming Members � Article D & Article E
-1) Member Statement
-2) Member Datasheet (What Information Will We Collect from Members at the Time They Sign Up?)
-3) Required Documentation of Status
----a) Photocopy of Passport First Page and Current Visa Page?
-4) How will the information in 1), 2), and 3) (above) be collected?
----a) Mail ok?
----b) Scan and email ok?
-5) Dues for both General and Associate Members
-6) Should we have more stringent rules than the government?
III.Business Organization
A. Central Office
-1) How Do We Start One?
-2) Where Will We Locate It?
-3) How Will We Staff It?
B. Finance � Article F
-1) What to We Need to Know? (We Need a Briefing from a Professional)
-2) Internal Financial Control System Proposal
IV. Metro/Provincial Organization � Article G
A. Blueprint for Setting Up a Metro/Provincial Association
V. Communications
A. Website
-1) What are We Going to Launch as the First National Website?
----a) Timeline with Deliverables
-2) What are We Launching for the Local Websites?
----a) Timeline with Deliverables
VI. Governing Document(s) � Articles H & I
A. Vote to Accept Governing Document Pending Amendments for Legal Reasons
B. Vote to Accept a Local Association Governing Document Template
And the following diagram covers the general scope of work to deploy ATEK across Korea:
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wylies99

Joined: 13 May 2006 Location: I'm one cool cat!
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Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 12:53 pm Post subject: |
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I know you probably have heard this before, but this kind of structural stuff is not what teachers want to talk about with ATEK leaders.
Most of us want to know when ATEK is going to address some of the issues that affect us every day. |
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tob55
Joined: 29 Apr 2007
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Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 2:54 pm Post subject: Exactly, |
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Spot on. This has been my reason behind some of the lengthy posts I have written about the whole ATEK organizational project. Too many organizations are busy being organizations and not paying attention to the needs. Keep it simple and prove the worth of the organization when it actually has members that ARE being helped with the many issues they face here in Korea. BTW the agenda looks good and the organizational map looks good as well. Keep up the good work Tony, but don't forget the little things that people are saying. In the long run it will help everyone connected with ATEK. |
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Rumple

Joined: 19 Sep 2007
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Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 7:37 pm Post subject: |
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I think this is just a notification to let us know that they're still out there and busy.
You can't start an organization without proper planning. This is an ambitious project, with them having to coordinate more than a dozen different local startups, plus their own national entity.
What is the alternative? To tell some random volunteer, "Hey, go to Ulsan and start a local chapter. Report in when you've got it up and running."?
I don't know that that's the best way to do things. Besides, as someone who wants to be a member, I want to see a website that shows me what they have going on. I want to be able to call a number and ask questions. I want a local organization that's got as many members as possible. It looks to me like what they are doing is trying to meet these needs. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003 Location: Retired
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Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 7:40 pm Post subject: |
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Heck I've been saying that since Day 1. People want an association that has the powers to help them when they get into hot water. And that is the MAIN...probably for many the ONLY reason for joining it. |
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wylies99

Joined: 13 May 2006 Location: I'm one cool cat!
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Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 2:32 pm Post subject: |
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Address the issues that matter, and membership roles will increase.
Ignore issues and worry only about "titles" and turf battles, and no one will join. |
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Kimchieluver

Joined: 02 Mar 2005
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Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 8:34 pm Post subject: |
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If you are thinking of tackling all those in one meeting.. be prepared to spend the 3 day weekend doing it. |
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chriswylson
Joined: 20 Feb 2007
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Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 9:21 pm Post subject: |
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Looking good, but I can't believe how some people who come to teach in Korea for a couple of years suddenly choose to dedicate a large part of their life to 'fighting the system'. I mean, if you think Korean hagwon owners are corrupt, just go work somewhere else! |
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DrunkenMaster

Joined: 04 Feb 2008
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Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 11:49 pm Post subject: |
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Keep it up!
Never listen to naysayers. |
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wylies99

Joined: 13 May 2006 Location: I'm one cool cat!
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Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 3:49 am Post subject: |
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chriswylson wrote: |
Looking good, but I can't believe how some people who come to teach in Korea for a couple of years suddenly choose to dedicate a large part of their life to 'fighting the system'. I mean, if you think Korean hagwon owners are corrupt, just go work somewhere else! |
Easy for you to say since you are obviously a newbie or Korean.
Under the E2 system, we can't "just go work somewhere else." |
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Rumple

Joined: 19 Sep 2007
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Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 6:14 am Post subject: |
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wylies99 wrote: |
Address the issues that matter, and membership roles will increase.
Ignore issues and worry only about "titles" and turf battles, and no one will join. |
I think that's sort of like the old question: How can you get a job if you don't have the required experience, and how can you get experience if you don't have a job?
How can they address issues now, with a tiny membership? And how can they grow their membership if they don't address the issues?
They are going to have to figure that out, but I'm glad to see that they are doing something. I think a lot of people are bringing a lot of expectations to ATEK. Some folks expect them to lash out against the hagwans right away. Others expect them to start lobbying the government right away. Still others want a cookie from them.
You can't please everyone, so they are going to have to figure out (if they haven't already) exactly where and how they want to engage the issues. Sometimes a direct assault isn't the best way. Sometimes you stick and move. Or you wait until you have sufficient strength. Or you wait for the opponent to make a mistake.
Also, regarding legal action, I'm about to write a post that explains why all those that think "If ATEK doesn't go after the hagwans who are screwing the teachers right away, they are worthless," need to have faith in ATEK. Will post a link when it is up.
**EDIT: Here it is. http://forums.eslcafe.com/korea/viewtopic.php?p=1676093 |
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chriswylson
Joined: 20 Feb 2007
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Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 7:36 am Post subject: |
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"we can't just go work somewhere else."
Yes you can, little newbie. It's called giving a month notice to your boss, or simply leaving the country. In any case, if you don't like the hagwon system, just work in a public school or in another country; when no one applies for hagwon positions, conditions will improve. This, not ATEK, will make things better. |
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BigBuds

Joined: 15 Sep 2005 Location: Changwon
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Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 11:23 am Post subject: |
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chriswylson wrote: |
"we can't just go work somewhere else."
Yes you can, little newbie. It's called giving a month notice to your boss, or simply leaving the country. In any case, if you don't like the hagwon system, just work in a public school or in another country; when no one applies for hagwon positions, conditions will improve. This, not ATEK, will make things better. |
Fair enough you can leave the country and work somewhere else but if you want to work in Korea just giving a month's notice does do shite for helping you get another job here.
Ever here of a little thing called a "Letter of Release"? If your boss decides he doesn't want to give you one then you're shite out of luck as you can't get a new job in Korea without it or until your current visa expires.
Life ain't that simple in Korea for people on an E-2 visa "little newbie". |
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SuperHero

Joined: 10 Dec 2003 Location: Superhero Hideout
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Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 2:37 pm Post subject: |
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chriswylson wrote: |
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"we can't just go work somewhere else." |
Yes you can, little newbie. It's called giving a month notice to your boss, or simply leaving the country. In any case, if you don't like the hagwon system, just work in a public school or in another country; when no one applies for hagwon positions, conditions will improve. This, not ATEK, will make things better. |
teachers on E2 visa's cannot quit a job mid contract and move to another position without permission of their current employer. The only option they have from bad employers is to leave the country.
And not all public schools or universities are good employers, so that is not the panacea that you perceive it to be. |
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wylies99

Joined: 13 May 2006 Location: I'm one cool cat!
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Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 4:30 pm Post subject: |
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chriswylson wrote: |
"we can't just go work somewhere else."
Yes you can, little newbie. It's called giving a month notice to your boss, or simply leaving the country. In any case, if you don't like the hagwon system, just work in a public school or in another country; when no one applies for hagwon positions, conditions will improve. This, not ATEK, will make things better. |
No, you can't just "go work somewhere else" without a letter of release.
Trolling chriswylsonbukowski? |
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