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in_seoul_2003
Joined: 24 Nov 2003
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Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 1:07 pm Post subject: Korean English Fever Betrayed by Test Scores |
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Yea, I'm taking a bit of a perverse pleasure in this already well known news. When will Koreans realize that fetishizing a language is not quite the same as learning it? $15 billion???
http://koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/2008/06/117_25279.html
Korean English Fever Betrayed by Test Scores
By Kang Shin-who
Staff Reporter
Koreans spend a lot of energy and money on studying English but their efforts seem futile as they always remain at the bottom of tests measuring English capability compared with other countries.
The Korean private English education market is estimated at as much as 15 trillion won ($15 billion). On top of students, office workers are bent on studying the language.
About seven in 10 office workers are showing signs of ``English addition syndrome'' where they feel uneasy if they are not studying it, according to YBM Sisa.
The leading language institute surveyed 1,837 office workers and more than 40 percent of respondents said they spend over 100,000 won ($100) per month on English education. More than half of those surveyed answered that they are currently studying the language.
Asked whether they feel the need for English studying, nearly 97 percent said, ``yes.''
Mired at Rock Bottom
Despite this frenzy, Koreans are showing no marked improvement in international scores on English tests.
The British Council announced Tuesday that Korea ranked 19th on the general training module of the IELTS among 20 countries ― Korean applicants averaged 5.21 out of a full score of 9.
IELTS is short for International English Language Testing System. Run by the British Council, University of Cambridge and Australian IDP Education, IELTS has two types of tests: a general training module for emigrant hopefuls and an academic module for students applying to overseas schools. It is on a par with TOEFL in terms of the number of test applicants.
Korean applicants especially showed weakness in writing and speaking tests, the British Council said. South Africa, which has adopted English as a business language, ranked top with an average score of 7.46. Singapore came next with 7.01, followed by Malaysia with 6.9, and Brazil with 6.43. China ranked 13th with 5.77 and Japan was placed 16th with 5.52.
In the case of the academic module, Korea scored 5.71 ranking 15th. Germany topped the test module with 7.16 followed by Malaysia with 6.65, the Philippines with 6.58 and Russia, 6.48.
IELTS test organizers said Korea has to adopt a new system for English education.
``Although Korea spends more money on English education and Koreans are trying to study English at an earlier age the test scores have remained the same,'' the British Council said.
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in_seoul_2003
Joined: 24 Nov 2003
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Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 1:11 pm Post subject: |
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edit: oops, just realized that real reality already got to it. |
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Young FRANKenstein

Joined: 02 Oct 2006 Location: Castle Frankenstein (that's FRONKensteen)
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Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 2:51 pm Post subject: Re: Korean English Fever Betrayed by Test Scores |
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in_seoul_2003 wrote: |
Korea ranked 19th on the general training module of the IELTS among 20 countries ― Korean applicants averaged 5.21 out of a full score of 9. |
Who are these geniuses taking the test? Not the general public... I would doubt 90% of my current students could score anywhere near a 5 on an IELTS test. |
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ernie
Joined: 05 Aug 2006 Location: asdfghjk
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Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 5:49 pm Post subject: |
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while my week long vacation doesn't qualify as an exhaustive study, i'm pretty confident in saying that english ability in korea is MUCH better than in japan... |
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Bibbitybop

Joined: 22 Feb 2006 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 7:23 pm Post subject: |
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Not speaking the language outside of the classroom is one huge reason no one can speak English. |
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Young FRANKenstein

Joined: 02 Oct 2006 Location: Castle Frankenstein (that's FRONKensteen)
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Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 8:11 pm Post subject: |
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ernie wrote: |
while my week long vacation doesn't qualify as an exhaustive study, i'm pretty confident in saying that english ability in korea is MUCH better than in japan... |
After living both there and here, I disagree. |
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Adventurer

Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 8:29 pm Post subject: |
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Young FRANKenstein wrote: |
ernie wrote: |
while my week long vacation doesn't qualify as an exhaustive study, i'm pretty confident in saying that english ability in korea is MUCH better than in japan... |
After living both there and here, I disagree. |
I asked my Australian friend in Japan, and he seems to feel that Korea doesn't have more speakers of English than Japan. I don't meet that many Koreans who speak English. We might have a distorted view of things, because we are surrounded by our co-teachers who speak English and the kids we teach. |
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pkang0202

Joined: 09 Mar 2007
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Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 8:33 pm Post subject: |
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Young FRANKenstein wrote: |
ernie wrote: |
while my week long vacation doesn't qualify as an exhaustive study, i'm pretty confident in saying that english ability in korea is MUCH better than in japan... |
After living both there and here, I disagree. |
Are you comparing Seoul to Tokyo? Gangwon-do to Tokyo? Hokkaido to Seoul?
Also, where in the major cities? Obviosuly, if you were poll people in Apgujeong, their English would be a LOT better than most (obviosuly, the gyopos there would skewed the data). |
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ernie
Joined: 05 Aug 2006 Location: asdfghjk
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Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 8:50 pm Post subject: |
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i'm comparing major korean cities like seoul, busan, daegu and daejon to my few days in tokyo and osaka... most store workers under 30 here can carry a basic conversation, whereas in japan i was reduced to pointing and grunting 90% of the time! |
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Julius

Joined: 27 Jul 2006
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Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 12:37 am Post subject: |
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Bibbitybop wrote: |
Not speaking the language outside of the classroom is one huge reason no one can speak English. |
That, and they don't make proper use of native teachers once they get them here: their educational system is perfectly designed to limit actual learning.
In Hogwons the NT is expected to be little more than an entertainer or babysitter and he/she only makes trouble for themself if they try to take teaching really seriously.
Making improvements, suggesting effective methods etc all gets in the way of their main objective: making profits from customers in what is a business rather than a learning institution. The reserve of talent available is never fully utilised at hogwons.
In public schools, native teachers are likewise under-utilised. The official title of such employees is "Assistant English teacher". Most times, the resident Korean English teachers see the foreigner as a threat to their job and status. They want to always be seen as the main teacher- Even if their english or teaching ability is poor, they usually refuse entirely to allow the native teacher to take the reigns. If he does, then there are a million ways to make the foreigners working life miserable because they know the foreign teacher is partly dependent on them for any amount of daily and workplace help. They are too focussed on heirarchy to give way to genuine learning. If you want to force your role as no.1 teacher, then be ready for a year of infighting, office politics, and them constantly trying to sabotage your lessons.
In universities, native professors work under less-than-equal conditions- denied tenure and forced into a rigid and limiting heirarchy.
But by far the biggest obstacle is the general attitude of the nation which views english as a necessary evil and little else- a teeth-pulling excercise in order to pass an exam. There seems little genuine enthusiam for learning for the right reasons-ie communication with foreigners and genuine cultural exchange. Koreans are notoriously awkward around foreigners because of xenophobic attitudes, relentlessly fuelled of course by the media.
The english ability of Korea will improve radically when attitudes to the outside world change. Several decades yet. Until then, just enjoy the cash. To any serious teachers that want real job satisfaction I would advise heading for a different country. Any number of third world countries are twice as good at learning english than here.
i taught english to mozambicans with no more than a stick, writing words in the sand. They picked up the language faster than any korean I have ever taught. |
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xtchr
Joined: 23 Nov 2004
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Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 1:44 am Post subject: |
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Julius seems to have hit the nail on the head. Excellent post. |
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visitorq
Joined: 11 Jan 2008
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Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 2:22 am Post subject: |
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ernie wrote: |
while my week long vacation doesn't qualify as an exhaustive study, i'm pretty confident in saying that english ability in korea is MUCH better than in japan... |
You are totally wrong. Really, totally, wrong. |
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skeeterses
Joined: 25 Oct 2007
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Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 2:36 am Post subject: |
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I've been to Japan a few times and can say for certain that Japan is one of those places where knowing a few survival phrases in the local langauge is essential for getting around.
While Japan is a larger country, they have had a low birthrate for quite some time now, which would explain why there seems to be a relatively high proportion of senior citizens. Fewer children translates to fewer schoolteachers.
I don't have any solid statistics to say how the Japanese are actually doing on their English tests. One difference between Japan and Korea though is that the Japanese are not going to point fingers at foreigners or run up to a foreigner to show off some English to their friends. In Korea, it's pretty easy for a foreigner to humble any of the show-offs. |
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Privateer
Joined: 31 Aug 2005 Location: Easy Street.
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Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 2:41 am Post subject: |
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Bibbitybop wrote: |
Not speaking the language outside of the classroom is one huge reason no one can speak English. |
It's not studying the language *inside* the classroom that gets me. Not paying attention, one word answers, look over your partner's shoulder, fall back on Korean whenever you hit a problem, do any and every activity in the easiest possible way thus missing the point of it all, if even aware that some word or structure does not occur in Korea or Korean then merely frown and say "difficult" and "pass". Then wonder why you've been 'studying' English for over 10 years and are still in lower intermediate.
Anything rather than think. Anything rather than try to understand or use language precisely, accurately, meaningfully.
Sorry for the rant. I'm a bit browned off with my students today. |
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skeeterses
Joined: 25 Oct 2007
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Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2008 2:49 am Post subject: |
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The thing about not paying attention inside the classroom is also something. Outside the classroom, the many kids seem to have no problem going up to foreigners on the street at times and repeating the same repetitive phrases. But it doesn't occur to them that the foreigners are actually being paid to teach English inside the classroom, and that a lot of foreigners actually want to learn Korean outside the hagwon. |
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