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chronicpride
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 Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 5:55 am Post subject: Teacher salaries to increase after the death of TOEIC? |
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Samsung is phasing out TOEIC and TOEFL for hiring requirements, in favor of a speaking-centered test and interviewing.
This obviously is going to drive students out of the TOEFL prep schools and into adult hagwons, like Pagoda and YBM, plus the trickle down effect to hagwons with younger students.
But just looking at it from the expected boost to adult hagwons, will foreign teachers become more tolerant and accepting of the dreaded split shifts that plague adult schools, assuming one can ask for and fetch, say 2.4/-2.5/mnth? Plus, knowing that YBM usually requires teachers to pay their own rent (although they cover key money), how much does that salary need to go up to try to meet surging demand at places like this?
I've worked a summer stint at YBM before, but was a little put off by the idea of commiting to a 1 year deal where I'd have pay my own rent. It'd have to be 2.8 or over, before I'd even give a smidge of a thought. But I'm doubting that they'd fatten the salary that much, even with the increase of students coming in. |
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bassexpander
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Well, if Samsung is doing this, then I suggest they screen their foreign "teachers" more carefully before they allow them to conduct interviews. I taught an interview class at my uni last year, and one of the students interviewed at Samsung. Part of his interview was in English, and the foreigner who interviewed him was a black Canadian who asked my student what he thought of America. The teacher then went of on a tangent about how he hates America. The next question was how my student felt about Korean women. The teacher then went off on another tangent about how sexy Korean women are, etc.
Samsung needs to be very, very careful about contracting these positions out to total idiots. |
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Young FRANKenstein
Joined: 02 Oct 2006
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| Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 8:08 am Post subject: |
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| bassexpander wrote: |
| Well, if Samsung is doing this, then I suggest they screen their foreign "teachers" more carefully before they allow them to conduct interviews. |
They should simply go to a company like TEPS who have qualified and tested interviewers. I interviewed for TEPS a couple of times, and the procedures they use for evaluation is pretty strict. |
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Chillin' Villain
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| Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 8:35 am Post subject: |
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TOEFL's not going anywhere soon. It's still firmly entrenched as the English benchmark for thousands of schools overseas- even quite a few Korean schools. I don't know why businesses would be using it for hiring when it's clearly a test for academic English aptitude.
Still, TOEIC education, which is almost predominantly filled by Korean-based teaching and materials, is certainly is a big hole to fill. |
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FUBAR
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| Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 8:54 am Post subject: |
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| bassexpander wrote: |
Well, if Samsung is doing this, then I suggest they screen their foreign "teachers" more carefully before they allow them to conduct interviews. I taught an interview class at my uni last year, and one of the students interviewed at Samsung. Part of his interview was in English, and the foreigner who interviewed him was a black Canadian who asked my student what he thought of America. The teacher then went of on a tangent about how he hates America. The next question was how my student felt about Korean women. The teacher then went off on another tangent about how sexy Korean women are, etc.
Samsung needs to be very, very careful about contracting these positions out to total idiots. |
I was under the impression that the TOEIC tests were to be replaced by the OPIc test, which is conducted by Amercians that come into the country and test the applicants, not samsung employed interviewers. |
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bassexpander
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| Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 8:58 am Post subject: |
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| FUBAR wrote: |
| bassexpander wrote: |
Well, if Samsung is doing this, then I suggest they screen their foreign "teachers" more carefully before they allow them to conduct interviews. I taught an interview class at my uni last year, and one of the students interviewed at Samsung. Part of his interview was in English, and the foreigner who interviewed him was a black Canadian who asked my student what he thought of America. The teacher then went of on a tangent about how he hates America. The next question was how my student felt about Korean women. The teacher then went off on another tangent about how sexy Korean women are, etc.
Samsung needs to be very, very careful about contracting these positions out to total idiots. |
I was under the impression that the TOEIC tests were to be replaced by the OPIc test, which is conducted by Amercians that come into the country and test the applicants, not samsung employed interviewers. |
I really have no clue how Samsung conducts their interviews, given that they have various deparments and locations. All I can tell you is that my student had an interview with Samsung, and he talked about it in class before the fact. When he returned to the class the following week, he told us the story. He was quite shocked about the questions which were asked -- we all were. He did say that this English interview was merely one part of the process. He didn't go into details about the rest. Naturally, we focued on the English interview, because that's what our class was preparing him for. |
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Chillin' Villain
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| Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 3:41 pm Post subject: |
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| FUBAR wrote: |
| I was under the impression that the TOEIC tests were to be replaced by the OPIc test, which is conducted by Amercians that come into the country and test the applicants, not samsung employed interviewers. |
I'm pretty sure that's what it is too, although no-one actually gets interviewed face-to-face. In the old OPI, yes, but that 'c' in OPIc stands for 'computer.' It's a similar kind of thing to the TOEFL speaking component, where they talk a bit responding to different tasks, and then raters score the tests in a different location later. It may even be like TOEFL where they're all scored by raters in the States. It will certainly create a need for more OPIc classes and materials. Actually, it already has and I've been benefiting for a few months now.
Samsung (and other major companies) has been doing in-house speaking tests (for promotions and such) in some form for a while now. The TOEIC was done alongside a speaking test called SEPT, which was made and administered by YBM, and based heavily on the OPI. I used to be a rater for that thing hours and hours a day and I almost lost my bloody mind. Only job I've ever not finished my contract for. I had no choice- my sanity was at stake! |
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riverboy
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I can't see TOEFL being phased out as it has heavy literary and speaking elements to it. IELTS is another that if proficient in, one would be able to do well in an interview. That being said, teachers trained in TOEFL and IELTS would be more useful and deserve a lot more money than the current crop.
Honestly, I have never even heard of OPI |
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Flash Ipanema
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| Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 6:46 pm Post subject: Re: Teacher salaries to increase after the death of TOEIC? |
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| chronicpride wrote: |
But just looking at it from the expected boost to adult hagwons, will foreign teachers become more tolerant and accepting of the dreaded split shifts that plague adult schools, assuming one can ask for and fetch, say 2.4/-2.5/mnth? Plus, knowing that YBM usually requires teachers to pay their own rent (although they cover key money), how much does that salary need to go up to try to meet surging demand at places like this?
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I haven't worked at Wall Street but from what I've heard they're on the right track. They sponsor the E2 visa for part time hours, then allow the teacher to legally work at other jobs. So the teacher can choose either the early or the late shift and take other jobs at whatever time suits them. I think it would really help get more teachers to take those jobs since a lot of people WANT to teach adults but hate split shifts. |
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Adventurer
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| Posted: Sat Jun 07, 2008 12:14 am Post subject: |
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Well, if Samsung is doing this, then I suggest they screen their foreign "teachers" more carefully before they allow them to conduct interviews. I taught an interview class at my uni last year, and one of the students interviewed at Samsung. Part of his interview was in English, and the foreigner who interviewed him was a black Canadian who asked my student what he thought of America. The teacher then went of on a tangent about how he hates America. The next question was how my student felt about Korean women. The teacher then went off on another tangent about how sexy Korean women are, etc.
Samsung needs to be very, very careful about contracting these positions out to total idiots. |
Did you have to mention that he was black? What relevance does his race have in this case? |
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pkang0202
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I've been to a few Korean interviews done in English. They ask you a lot of inappropriate questions:
Do you have a girlfriend? Why or why not?
What do you like to do for fun on the weekends?
How many bottles of Soju can you drink?
I'm surprised they didn't ask me to pull down my pants so they could measure my *beep*. I'm sure they wanted to. |
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Lekker
Joined: 09 Feb 2008
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| Posted: Sat Jun 07, 2008 10:49 pm Post subject: |
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I've been to a few Korean interviews done in English. They ask you a lot of inappropriate questions:
Do you have a girlfriend? Why or why not?
What do you like to do for fun on the weekends?
How many bottles of Soju can you drink?
I'm surprised they didn't ask me to pull down my pants so they could measure my *beep*. I'm sure they wanted to. |
That's it, interviews over. You got the position. Welcome aboard. |
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Troll_Bait
Joined: 04 Jan 2006
Location: [T]eaching experience doesn't matter much. -Lee Young-chan (pictured)
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| Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 12:07 am Post subject: |
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| chronicpride wrote: |
Samsung is phasing out TOEIC and TOEFL for hiring requirements, in favor of a speaking-centered test and interviewing.
This obviously is going to drive students out of the TOEFL prep schools and into adult hagwons, like Pagoda and YBM, plus the trickle down effect to hagwons with younger students.
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Those superstar Korean English teachers who earn seven million won a month by teaching to the TOEIC test must be crapping their pants right now.
| pkang0202 wrote: |
I've been to a few Korean interviews done in English. They ask you a lot of inappropriate questions:
Do you have a girlfriend? Why or why not?
What do you like to do for fun on the weekends?
How many bottles of Soju can you drink?
I'm surprised they didn't ask me to pull down my pants so they could measure my *beep*. I'm sure they wanted to. |
Those are typical job interview questions asked of Korean candidates, in Korean. They just translated them into English.
With such business practices, Korea still has the twelfth largest economy in the world. Despite shooting itself in the foot everyday, Korea still manages to limp across the finish line ahead of most other countries. It makes you wonder what those other countries are doing wrong. |
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bassexpander
Joined: 13 Sep 2007
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| Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 4:43 am Post subject: |
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| Adventurer wrote: |
| bassexpander wrote: |
Well, if Samsung is doing this, then I suggest they screen their foreign "teachers" more carefully before they allow them to conduct interviews. I taught an interview class at my uni last year, and one of the students interviewed at Samsung. Part of his interview was in English, and the foreigner who interviewed him was a black Canadian who asked my student what he thought of America. The teacher then went of on a tangent about how he hates America. The next question was how my student felt about Korean women. The teacher then went off on another tangent about how sexy Korean women are, etc.
Samsung needs to be very, very careful about contracting these positions out to total idiots. |
Did you have to mention that he was black? What relevance does his race have in this case? |
It doesn't.
Why do you walk around with a race-colored glasses assuming everything is about race? |
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chriswylson
Joined: 20 Feb 2007
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| Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 5:29 am Post subject: |
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| Yep. adventurer, you're a racist. |
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