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PeterDragon
Joined: 15 Feb 2007
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 Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 5:39 pm Post subject: sddddddddddddddd |
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KYC
Joined: 11 May 2006
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| Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 5:44 pm Post subject: |
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didn't you already started your search for ps positions in pyeongtaek before this thread/episode???
BTW, I'm also in a rural town..very small. I see my students everywhere. Grocery stores, bus stops, post office, etc. I don't mind it at all. They don't follow me or anything. I also teach at a 2nd elementary school for only 1 day a week. I believe I am the only native speaker in the area.
I have already told my school I was not renewing. My coteacher begged and pleaded for weeks. I wouldn't even stay for 6 months. I am not happy with the school itself and not the town.
A few weeks later, I applied to another BOE and they called my school for a reference. This sent my ct on a rampage. He was furious with me for weeks..and still is. However, he tried his best to get me to stay. He offered new apt, new town, more vacation, and basically said anythign I wanted. I refused and he hasn't talked to me since.
My point is this...I have had 3 ct in the past year. My current one and I haven't always gotten along. BUT this is a rural area and they are hard up for a NT. I am surprised that they aren't willing to give you what you want so you will stay. VERY SURPRISED INDEED.
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Hank the Iconoclast
Joined: 08 Oct 2007
Location: Busan
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| Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 5:49 pm Post subject: |
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I'd say that you should start looking for another PS job. They have been accomodating and you are suffering because of your lack of isolation. It's not fair to you and there is a provision in your contract that allows you to move and take the housing allowance.
I had this issue when I first moved to Korea. I was to far outside of town, had a horrible grocery store and it was hard to socialize because the last bus was before 10. What did I do? I told them I wanted to move into town with the rest of the foreigners, so I could have a social life and a decent grocery store.
I am not going to stay out in the boonies because I teach at one of my schools for two days. Living in Buyeo is rural enough without living out in one of the villages around Buyeo.
In addition, I find it interesting that she said that teachers must live nearby the school. I have quite a few teachers that commute from Daejeon to Buyeo. That's a distance of 70 km. The distance you traverse seems to be a lot less, there should be no issue whatsoever. |
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Dome Vans
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| Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 5:55 pm Post subject: |
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| I have quite a few teachers that commute from Daejeon to Buyeo. That's a distance of 70 km. The distance you traverse seems to be a lot less, there should be no issue whatsoever. |
Same here Hank. I have some teachers who travel from Daejeon every day. It takes them 2 hours to come to school and 2 hours back. I don't see why it should be any different for the native teachers. 40 minutes really isn't that far. Most of the other teachers come from Cheonan, they actually rent an apartment in my city during the week and go home at the weekends. What a hassle! |
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Hank the Iconoclast
Joined: 08 Oct 2007
Location: Busan
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| Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 6:01 pm Post subject: |
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| I have quite a few teachers that commute from Daejeon to Buyeo. That's a distance of 70 km. The distance you traverse seems to be a lot less, there should be no issue whatsoever. |
Same here Hank. I have some teachers who travel from Daejeon every day. It takes them 2 hours to come to school and 2 hours back. I don't see why it should be any different for the native teachers. 40 minutes really isn't that far. Most of the other teachers come from Cheonan, they actually rent an apartment in my city during the week and go home at the weekends. What a hassle! |
That's because teachers in Chungnam province really don't get to choose where they want to teach. They list their preferences and if there is a spot, they might get that. I know a Korean teacher who teaches in Taean (sp?) and lives in Daejeon. They rent an apartment during the week and go home on on the weekends. I can assure you that in my rural schools, none of the teachers actually live in the villages (at least none that I know of). They all live in Buyeo, Gongju and Daejeon.
The Korean teachers don't want to live in the sticks, why should you? |
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jdog2050
Joined: 17 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 6:23 pm Post subject: Re: Staring contest with my school II |
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So, as I mentioned last week, I work at a really good school. The only thing I don't like is having ot liv in the same very isoalted ton as the school.
So I asked my co-teacher if I could have a housing allowance. When pressed for why I wanted one, I told her I wanted to move. When pressed further, I told her I wanted to move to Pyeongtaek, a 40-minute commute. I already commute 20 mintues to school every morning living where I currently do. She said that the administration would most likely find such an arrangment unacceptable,a nd told me it doesn't matter if I'm lonely. I'm not here to make friends---- I'm here to work. I told her i begged to differ, that both were important. She said she would touesday to try and get their permission, though.
Per the advice of some helpful ESLCafer's, I decided to talk to my co-teacher again, this time not mentioning Pyeongtaek specifically, telling her I simply want the same freedom all the other teachers have to choose their own housing, and assuring her that I will look into in-town options that would be more socially favorable for me. All of this is ture. Th biggest isssue IS wanting the freedom to choose my own option, and given a housing allowance, I WOULD also apartment hunt at two nearby campuses to see if there's a good foreigner/night life scene there.
Well, it turns out that my co-teacher had ALREADY phoned all three of my supervisors on Sunday and told them that I'm absolutely bent on going to Pyeongtaek, and already gotten a "no" answer from them. She then claimed that there was no provision for a housing allowance in my contract and that the administration "had to" choose my housing. When I showed her the part of the contract that provides for housing allowance she angrily told me that OF COURSE she know about that part of the contract, EVERYBODY knows about that part of the contract. The real issue she says, is that they're not sure they're going to GIVE IT to me, because I am a full time employee of the school, and full time employees of the school are important and must live nearby. When I pointed out to her that if she chose to move, she wouldn't even have to mention it to the administration, she stormed off.
Once she cools off a little, I'll ask he to get formal permission from the principal for me to receive the housing allowance. If I don't get a definitive answer by Wednesday, I'll start looking for other jobs; already got plenty of leads.
This school has always been unbelievably kind to me. I've learned a valuable lesson on how fast a school can turn sour the second you want something you're (more or less) entitled to but that your school doesn't want to give. |
Wow, this is, sadly, a pretty classic example of your "supervisor/go-between" jumping the gun and getting you in trouble. It may or may not be a salvageable situation, but it's a good start that you're looking for other jobs. Basically, I'd say that you now have a "black mark" against you in their minds, and things may sour pretty fast from here on out. |
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deadman
Joined: 27 May 2006
Location: Suwon
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| Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 6:51 pm Post subject: |
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Perhaps there are issues with ending the lease on your current place.
You could offer to pay any costs involved with ending the lease early, since the housing allowance/accommodation choice should really be made at the beginning of the contract, since leases are at least a year long.
No reason why they can work with you to find a solution, though. |
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PeterDragon
Joined: 15 Feb 2007
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| Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 6:57 pm Post subject: |
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spliff
Joined: 19 Jan 2004
Location: Khon Kaen, Thailand
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| Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 7:05 pm Post subject: |
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The less the foreigners the better, IMO. Especially, the ones I usually see walking about when I go to Seoul.  |
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PeterDragon
Joined: 15 Feb 2007
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| Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 7:10 pm Post subject: |
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| deadman wrote: |
Perhaps there are issues with ending the lease on your current place.
You could offer to pay any costs involved with ending the lease early, since the housing allowance/accommodation choice should really be made at the beginning of the contract, since leases are at least a year long.
No reason why they can work with you to find a solution, though. |
I don't think it's the lease. My current contract ends on July 15. Since the school had never had a native speaker before, their contract with my landlord began the day I arrived and will end on July 15, one year to the day. They already told me they haven't talked to the landlord about renewing yet.
This doesn't involve changing the terms of my housing mid contract. It involves whether or not they're willing to give me a stipend on my NEXT contract, a contract that starts on July 16, assuming it starts at all. |
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deadman
Joined: 27 May 2006
Location: Suwon
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| Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 7:19 pm Post subject: |
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| deadman wrote: |
Perhaps there are issues with ending the lease on your current place.
You could offer to pay any costs involved with ending the lease early, since the housing allowance/accommodation choice should really be made at the beginning of the contract, since leases are at least a year long.
No reason why they can work with you to find a solution, though. |
I don't think it's the lease. My current contract ends on July 15. Since the school had never had a native speaker before, their contract with my landlord began the day I arrived and will end on July 15, one year to the day. They already told me they haven't talked to the landlord about renewing yet.
This doesn't involve changing the terms of my housing mid contract. It involves whether or not they're willing to give me a stipend on my NEXT contract, a contract that starts on July 16, assuming it starts at all. |
I see. Sounds like you have it under control. Good luck. |
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Fishead soup
Joined: 24 Jun 2007
Location: Korea
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You would.'t happen to live in Anjune Myeoung? Do they still have a Younsuwon( teacher training center there). That place is really in the sticks. I can't believe that Pyeongteck would look good in contrast.
Do they still have that nice little red light district at the train station. |
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PeterDragon
Joined: 15 Feb 2007
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| Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 7:42 pm Post subject: |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 9:00 pm Post subject: Re: Staring contest with my school II |
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| When I showed her the part of the contract that provides for housing allowance she angrily told me that OF COURSE she know about that part of the contract, EVERYBODY knows about that part of the contract. The real issue she says, is that they're not sure they're going to GIVE IT to me, because I am a full time employee of the school, and full time employees of the school are important and must live nearby. |
Time to leave. |
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ernie
Joined: 05 Aug 2006
Location: asdfghjk
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| Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 9:01 pm Post subject: |
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| why don't you just re-sign the contract at your current school and move? if they get upset, just play dumb and say that since a housing allowance is one option included in your contract, you're going to take it! |
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