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phusion
Joined: 21 Nov 2005
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Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 7:32 am Post subject: Can I do it? |
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Hey all,
So this is an honest question...I've convinced myself that I'm ready to go to Korea so I've started my search for a good PS job for August/September. Here's my situation:
1) I've never formally taught students in any capacity
2) I have a BA and an online TEFL certificate
3) I get pretty nervous in front of groups but I tend to get through presentations, etc. OK if I'm prepared
4) I'm often told that I'm patient with people and I do like teaching or training people one-on-one or in small groups. The only real experience that I've had with this, however, has been in the IT field (which I'm trying to transition out of--I'm working on a master's and would like to eventually teach at the university level).
I'm sort of an introvert and can be quiet in certain situations, but I don't really consider myself a loner and I do have a handful of great friends. I don't really have a problem meeting people.
I'm concerned about getting up in front of large classes and trying to teach them. What if I'm really BORING and put my students to sleep? What if I am really nervous in front of the class and my students take notice/advantage of it?
So my question is...Are these common fears for newbie teachers? Was anyone else in the same position and did you just take the leap and go? Does it get easier?
I'm looking at Korea as the beginning of a new career. It is my hope that by jumping "into the deep end" I can just get over my fears and become more comfortable in front of large groups. Is this a crazy idea?
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Stevie_B
Joined: 14 May 2008
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Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 7:37 am Post subject: Re: Can I do it? |
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phusion wrote: |
Hey all,
So this is an honest question...I've convinced myself that I'm ready to go to Korea so I've started my search for a good PS job for August/September. Here's my situation:
1) I've never formally taught students in any capacity
2) I have a BA and an online TEFL certificate
3) I get pretty nervous in front of groups but I tend to get through presentations, etc. OK if I'm prepared
4) I'm often told that I'm patient with people and I do like teaching or training people one-on-one or in small groups. The only real experience that I've had with this, however, has been in the IT field (which I'm trying to transition out of--I'm working on a master's and would like to eventually teach at the university level).
I'm sort of an introvert and can be quiet in certain situations, but I don't really consider myself a loner and I do have a handful of great friends. I don't really have a problem meeting people.
I'm concerned about getting up in front of large classes and trying to teach them. What if I'm really BORING and put my students to sleep? What if I am really nervous in front of the class and my students take notice/advantage of it?
So my question is...Are these common fears for newbie teachers? Was anyone else in the same position and did you just take the leap and go? Does it get easier?
I'm looking at Korea as the beginning of a new career. It is my hope that by jumping "into the deep end" I can just get over my fears and become more comfortable in front of large groups. Is this a crazy idea?
Thanks for any advice you can offer.  |
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By the end of your second week, you'll be mystified what might have ever moved you to write the above. |
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xtchr
Joined: 23 Nov 2004
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Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 7:40 am Post subject: Re: Can I do it? |
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phusion wrote: |
What if I'm really BORING and put my students to sleep? |
Newsflash: Most Korean teachers are extremely BORING, as is 99% of the material they use. Your students will already be asleep.
Advice: you'll never know unless you try.
Good luck. |
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OnTheOtherSide

Joined: 29 Feb 2008
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Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 7:56 am Post subject: |
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This teaching gig is a freakin cakewalk. Working at the coffee shop was harder than this. Just dive right in and you'll be fine.
Cakewalk. Remember that. |
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SirFink

Joined: 05 Mar 2006
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Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 1:18 pm Post subject: Re: Can I do it? |
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phusion wrote: |
So my question is...Are these common fears for newbie teachers? |
Judging by posts like yours, yes.
My best advice is relax. Most teaching gigs here -- including the public school and university ones -- aren't "real" jobs. You really don't need to know grammar, you don't need to know how to spell, you can speak with a fairly thick, slang-riddled accent. You can even be fat. It just doesn't matter.
People get nervous about the interview. That's a frequent topic here. "OMG! What are they going to ask? *pant pant* What should I expect?" It's not a real job interview. Not even close. You're pretty much hired in the first 3 seconds of the interview. They're just making sure 1) you can breath and 2) you can speak "englishee".
While you'll meet plenty of good-looking, intelligent foreign English teachers in Korea with good social skills, you'll also meet absolute ogres who don't have two brain cells to rub together. You find yourself thinking "this douchebag has a teaching job?? And here I was worried about what I was going to say in the interview."
There's fun to be had in Korea, there's money to be made, but don't come thinking it's going to be professional development and something significant to put on the resume. Don't come thinking it's going to an amazing world of experiences and memories to recall to the grandchildren 50 years from now. Unless singing boy band pop songs while drinking rice moonshine and eating month-old rotten cabbage is your thing. |
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chickyabroad

Joined: 24 Jul 2006 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 2:22 pm Post subject: Re: Can I do it? |
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phusion wrote: |
Hey all,
So this is an honest question...I've convinced myself that I'm ready to go to Korea so I've started my search for a good PS job for August/September. Here's my situation:
1) I've never formally taught students in any capacity
2) I have a BA and an online TEFL certificate
3) I get pretty nervous in front of groups but I tend to get through presentations, etc. OK if I'm prepared
4) I'm often told that I'm patient with people and I do like teaching or training people one-on-one or in small groups. The only real experience that I've had with this, however, has been in the IT field (which I'm trying to transition out of--I'm working on a master's and would like to eventually teach at the university level).
I'm sort of an introvert and can be quiet in certain situations, but I don't really consider myself a loner and I do have a handful of great friends. I don't really have a problem meeting people.
I'm concerned about getting up in front of large classes and trying to teach them. What if I'm really BORING and put my students to sleep? What if I am really nervous in front of the class and my students take notice/advantage of it?
So my question is...Are these common fears for newbie teachers? Was anyone else in the same position and did you just take the leap and go? Does it get easier?
I'm looking at Korea as the beginning of a new career. It is my hope that by jumping "into the deep end" I can just get over my fears and become more comfortable in front of large groups. Is this a crazy idea?
Thanks for any advice you can offer.  |
You pretty much exactly described me when I first went to Korea, minus the IT field & Masters work. I also didn't have any sort of tesol certificate, but I had done some volunteering with adult English language learners. Maybe you could find somewhere to do the same in the next month or two? Did you get to write your own lesson plans for your certificate? If you did, volunteering somewhere (teaching kids or adults, adults like games too!) would maybe let you use some of them to see how they work.
I survived and loved it (the teaching anyway) and am now going back to Korea to continue my new career, so I think you'll be fine! |
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phusion
Joined: 21 Nov 2005
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Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 3:01 pm Post subject: Re: Can I do it? |
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SirFink wrote: |
while drinking rice moonshine and eating month-old rotten cabbage is your thing. |
Why, yes, actually...that sounds great.
Thanks, everyone, for the great advice. Sounds like I just need to relax and jump right in.
Cheers! |
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lsrupert
Joined: 27 Aug 2006
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Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 3:22 pm Post subject: Re: Can I do it? |
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SirFink wrote: |
My best advice is relax. Most teaching gigs here -- including the public school and university ones -- aren't "real" jobs. You can even be fat. It just doesn't matter. |
..... because fat people aren't allowed to have "real" jobs...... |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Established in 1994
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Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 3:26 pm Post subject: |
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The anxieties you expressed in the OP are normal for not only people who come here, but for many beginning teachers anywhere. A fair percentage of the professional teachers I've worked with over the years are quiet, introverted people outside the classroom. In discussions with them, a common strategy many of them say they use was that when they are in front of the classroom they take on their Teacher Persona, a character they have developed just like an actor develops. While not assertive in 'real life' they can be in the classroom by copying the teachers they've had when they were students.
Not everyone is cut out to be a teacher and not everyone is cut out for Korea. There is no way to know unless you try. If you suceed, great; if you fail, go to Plan B.
I disagree with some of the other posts:
a) I disagree that this isn't a real job. It is. People are paying good money to get good results. You have a responsibility to do your best. Yes, people are hired who can't spell, don't know squat about grammar, speak in sentences with complicated grammar, slang and idioms. That is because Korea is desperate to fill the spots. You'll do best if you simplify the grammar, check your spelling, delete the slang and idioms except when you are consciously teaching those things and control the speed of your speaking.
b) I disagree about the lack of memories to share in the future. I've had tons of experiences I would never have had if I had stayed home. That's why I came and why I've stayed. I've worked with some of the most amazing people I've met in my life. It's been an adventure.
Something to think about: If you have never taught before, you might want to consider teaching in a hakwon first. The classes are smaller (much) and the students are somewhat more motivated. PS classes are often 40 students, few of whom are interested in learning English. The same is true of most university jobs. |
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bejarano-korea

Joined: 13 Dec 2006
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Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 3:28 pm Post subject: Re: Can I do it? |
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lsrupert wrote: |
SirFink wrote: |
My best advice is relax. Most teaching gigs here -- including the public school and university ones -- aren't "real" jobs. You can even be fat. It just doesn't matter. |
..... because fat people aren't allowed to have "real" jobs...... |
My sister is a right fat beast and she is about to become one of the youngest school heads in the UK!
She would buy and sell 99.9% of the teachers here in Korea! I don't like her as a person - but damn! She can teach! The kids, the parents and the other teachers love her proving she didn't have a personality bypass at birth!
She takes no prisoners though - she would obliterate any Korean who took he piss out of her! Or any daft septic silly enough to start whinging about her flab getting in the way of their 'personal space' sitting next to her on a flight.
If she had been a man - she would have been a boxer and would have bit Tysons ear off! |
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bogey666

Joined: 17 Mar 2008 Location: Korea, the ass free zone
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Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 3:47 pm Post subject: Re: Can I do it? |
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bejarano-korea wrote: |
lsrupert wrote: |
SirFink wrote: |
My best advice is relax. Most teaching gigs here -- including the public school and university ones -- aren't "real" jobs. You can even be fat. It just doesn't matter. |
..... because fat people aren't allowed to have "real" jobs...... |
My sister is a right fat beast and she is about to become one of the youngest school heads in the UK!
She would buy and sell 99.9% of the teachers here in Korea! I don't like her as a person - but damn! She can teach! The kids, the parents and the other teachers love her proving she didn't have a personality bypass at birth!
She takes no prisoners though - she would obliterate any Korean who took he piss out of her! Or any daft septic silly enough to start whinging about her flab getting in the way of their 'personal space' sitting next to her on a flight.
If she had been a man - she would have been a boxer and would have bit Tysons ear off! |
"personal space" is pretty hard to define, but if she started invading the real physical confines of my seat, I would kindly ask her to take her flab off my seat.
And insist on it.
you think she'd intimidate me? hahahahahaha
getting back on topic.
I pretty much agree with everyone else, and say this is a guy who's only been here for a month.
if I didn't have this forum for feedback on how difficult it is to motivate the students and how little to expect, I'd be jumping off a cliff right now.
I do have some professional pride after all, even if I am not a "professional" teacher.
getting back to the fat beast for a moment. I would like to see her in a Korean public school though, especially a "rougher" one like mine.
Difficult for a female teacher to command complete respect - though she's certainly got the personality/attitude to get it - but unless she could just start whacking the kids left and right with a stick they would make constant references and fun of her weight (for starrters)
this isn't to damn female teachers as a whole, I've seen some who strike me as excellent from my limited view.. but it IS a lot more difficult for a young(er) female to control these 17-19 year old hormonally amped up Klingons and Romulans (I use the trekkie reference because their haircuts are Klingon and Romulan )
as I've mentioned before 2 of my classes with particularly bad reputations are on record as having made 2 of my Kotexes cry. (in class)
A third Kotex (who is also my handler) is perhaps the most effective with them despite not being a ballbuster per se. She does know when to use sugar and when to get tough and the kids seem to not only respect her, but often genuinely like her.
she says a lot of these kids (in my school) are from disadvantaged and one parent homes so in many ways she often has a to play a "parent" role.
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IncognitoHFX

Joined: 06 May 2007 Location: Yeongtong, Suwon
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Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 3:53 pm Post subject: Re: Can I do it? |
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phusion wrote: |
Hey all,
So this is an honest question...I've convinced myself that I'm ready to go to Korea so I've started my search for a good PS job for August/September. Here's my situation:
1) I've never formally taught students in any capacity
2) I have a BA and an online TEFL certificate
3) I get pretty nervous in front of groups but I tend to get through presentations, etc. OK if I'm prepared
4) I'm often told that I'm patient with people and I do like teaching or training people one-on-one or in small groups. The only real experience that I've had with this, however, has been in the IT field (which I'm trying to transition out of--I'm working on a master's and would like to eventually teach at the university level).
I'm sort of an introvert and can be quiet in certain situations, but I don't really consider myself a loner and I do have a handful of great friends. I don't really have a problem meeting people.
I'm concerned about getting up in front of large classes and trying to teach them. What if I'm really BORING and put my students to sleep? What if I am really nervous in front of the class and my students take notice/advantage of it?
So my question is...Are these common fears for newbie teachers? Was anyone else in the same position and did you just take the leap and go? Does it get easier?
I'm looking at Korea as the beginning of a new career. It is my hope that by jumping "into the deep end" I can just get over my fears and become more comfortable in front of large groups. Is this a crazy idea?
Thanks for any advice you can offer.  |
You sound a lot like me.
The thing about teaching is, regardless of how you feel going into the situation... your "fight or flight" instinct kicks in and you find yourself opening right up and teaching as any teacher would simply because there is no other alternative.
I'm very introverted, and before I would've never imagined myself infront of 45 kids teaching this, that and the other thing... but here I am.
You get used to it. You don't have a choice  |
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bejarano-korea

Joined: 13 Dec 2006
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Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 3:56 pm Post subject: Re: Can I do it? |
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"personal space" is pretty hard to define, but if she started invading the real physical confines of my seat, I would kindly ask her to take her flab off my seat.
And insist on it.
you think she'd intimidate me? hahahahahaha |
You'd stand no chance mate - what she would do is rip open the door of the plane while grabbing you by the scruff of the neck and feed you to the engines - she would walk back inside the plane - mold the door back into place with her bare hands and finish off the rest of your flight meal.
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I do have some professional pride after all, even if I am not a "professional" teacher. |
It is always good to know where you stand mate - know your place in the food chain.
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getting back to the fat beast for a moment. I would like to see her in a Korean public school though, especially a "rougher" one like mine. |
A rougher Korean school? My sister teaches in Inner City London? Before we carry on this discussion we really need to know if you are an authority
on the subjects in comparison - if not - you are talking out of your arse before you type another word.
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Difficult for a female teacher to command complete respect |
Don't be silly now. So you are saying you need to be male to garner respect in a classroom?
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- though she's certainly got the personality/attitude to get it - but unless she could just start whacking the kids left and right with a stick they would make constant references and fun of her weight (for starrters) |
I'm sure when she began she was shit at her job like I'm sure you are now but she is now in line to become one of the youngest headmisteresses in the country and she is in early 30s. You can't knock it mate! You have go to give credit where credit is due - Seeing as you have no idea where she teaches, who she teaches and how she teaches you are not in a position to comment but I'm sure you are going to give us another uninformed opinion anyway! 
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poet13
Joined: 22 Jan 2006 Location: Just over there....throwing lemons.
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Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 3:57 pm Post subject: |
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"1) I've never formally taught students in any capacity
2) I have a BA ..."
You had me right there. |
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Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 4:04 pm Post subject: |
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Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
The anxieties you expressed in the OP are normal for not only people who come here, but for many beginning teachers anywhere. A fair percentage of the professional teachers I've worked with over the years are quiet, introverted people outside the classroom. In discussions with them, a common strategy many of them say they use was that when they are in front of the classroom they take on their Teacher Persona, a character they have developed just like an actor develops. While not assertive in 'real life' they can be in the classroom by copying the teachers they've had when they were students.
Not everyone is cut out to be a teacher and not everyone is cut out for Korea. There is no way to know unless you try. If you suceed, great; if you fail, go to Plan B.
I disagree with some of the other posts:
a) I disagree that this isn't a real job. It is. People are paying good money to get good results. You have a responsibility to do your best. Yes, people are hired who can't spell, don't know squat about grammar, speak in sentences with complicated grammar, slang and idioms. That is because Korea is desperate to fill the spots. You'll do best if you simplify the grammar, check your spelling, delete the slang and idioms except when you are consciously teaching those things and control the speed of your speaking.
b) I disagree about the lack of memories to share in the future. I've had tons of experiences I would never have had if I had stayed home. That's why I came and why I've stayed. I've worked with some of the most amazing people I've met in my life. It's been an adventure.
Something to think about: If you have never taught before, you might want to consider teaching in a hakwon first. The classes are smaller (much) and the students are somewhat more motivated. PS classes are often 40 students, few of whom are interested in learning English. The same is true of most university jobs. |
I agree with these sentiments EXCEPT teaching in a Hagwon first. You can limit the amount of problems by working in the PS first, especially with regards to payment and hours taught. If you're a first time teacher with a TEFL then you'll want to have time to do interesting lessons, but working in a Hagwon means that you have way more lessons to plan. At PS teaching 22 hours a week is a cinch. You'll probably only have to do 5-12 lesson plans a week.
Very similar to you, I was slightly introverted and a bit panicky speaking in front of people. When I did my CELTA I could never hold down my breakfast before I went to school because of nerves on the day I was being observed. Really kicked me in the bum that. Since I've come to Korea I've had no problems with the nerves side of things. You grow with confidence and if you're consistent with the students, (good lessons, praise, punishment, treatment) then after a few months it'll be easy street.
As for the old adage that it's not a 'real' job. Haha! I take it a real job is one that means climbing up the career ladder for 10-20 years. That seems like such an old fashioned expression. Nowadays the out dated idea that you have to remain rooted in a crap job, be married by 25 and provide for your kids is gone. We have opportunities now. You'd be stupid not to grab them while you have the chance.
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Don't come thinking it's going to an amazing world of experiences and memories to recall to the grandchildren 50 years from now. |
Rubbish! Let's test:
a. "..and there was one day where Granddad was stood near the photocopier when Mr Anderson the manager came in knocked his knee on the side of the filing cabinet."
b. "..and then after Granddad drank to powerful soju with his co-teachers, he turned into King Sejong who was a big man. While Grandad was King of the World that evening, he went off singing with his co-teachers, ate some street food and woke up with a banging headache in a love motel" |
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