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mises
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Ya-ta Boy
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| This reminds me more of 2004, rather than '02, when the National Assembly impeached Roh Moo-Hyun. The indignation aimed at the president seems to be even more intense this time around. |
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mises
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| Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 12:05 pm Post subject: |
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| I see lots of stories on the general discussion forum about whitey being a target for Korean ire. Do you think this is true, and was it true in 2002/04? |
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On the other hand
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| Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 12:33 pm Post subject: |
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| For you long-timers, is this approaching 2002 levels? |
Maybe in terms of how widespread the anger is, but not in terms of the ferocity. In 2002, I had students coming to class almost in tears, and if I said ANYTHING that even sounded like it might go against the prevailing sentiment, the mood became palpably hostile.
With this beef thing, students look for any opportunity to say how much the hate Lee Myung Bak, but I'm still able to play Devil's Advocate, and get good-natured replies. But there was NO WAY you could have played Devil's Advocate on the schoolgirls issue in 2002.
There's also an element of humor coming into it this time around. The Koreans I know chuckle when they make up nasty nicknames for LMB. There was no such air of frivolity in 2002.
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| see lots of stories on the general discussion forum about whitey being a target for Korean ire. |
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I haven't noticed anything. And I don't recall hearing about any politically-motivated acts of violence against foreigneers in Gwangju in 2002. I think the worst thing I heard about in 2002 was in Seoul, where a couple of American soldiers got beat up on a subway and dragged to some rally where they were forced to apologize for the death of the girls. Maybe something worse happened, I dunno, you'd have to ask people who were up in Seoul at the time.
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On the other hand
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| Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 12:35 pm Post subject: |
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| The indignation aimed at the president seems to be even more intense this time around. |
I will observe that it seems to be more of an anti-LMB movement than an anti-American movement. Or at least anti-LMB sentiment seems to be very front-and-center. |
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The Bobster
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| Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 1:07 pm Post subject: |
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| One does suspect that alot of the riot police are young enough that if they weren't in uniform and holding riot batons then they would be in the crowd demonstrating, too. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 1:38 pm Post subject: |
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| I see lots of stories on the general discussion forum about whitey being a target for Korean ire. Do you think this is true, and was it true in 2002/04? |
Define 'lots'.
Then subtract the average number of confrontations that occur at any time for any reason.
Then subtract the number of confrontations that occur that are mis-labelled as being caused by this latest situation because people sometimes misunderstand why a confrontation occurs. If you are shushed for talking too loud on the subway, would the ajumma have said anything if she were not already ticked off about beef? Who knows? Does she even know?
People have commented on Koreans getting all in a dither about something because of the internet but fail to note when the waygookin community does the same thing. Neither I nor anyone I personally knew had any problems here in '02. BUT we all heard stories here on Dave's. Many of them were, "A friend of a friend knows someone who heard a story in a bar about someone being attacked..."
Not only is this time around not as bad as 2002, even 2002 was not as bad as the Legend of 2002.
PS: At least half of the people I've talked to about this say they are not even against all US beef. They just want reasonable safety measures instituted.
While there are some hardcore anti-Americans out there, most are not. The anger is aimed at how LMB has handled not only this issue but several others since he came into office.
Finally, there are several other issues of contention that will have to be addressed soon: the FTA, the cost of paying for the relocation of troops to Pyeongtaek, the troops in Iraq and Afghanistan. |
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Cheonmunka
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I'm not as worried since it is Korean versus Korean. Though, part of me senses it could get worse.
I saw a Buddhist versus Christian protest which turned violent. That was about 2001-2.
People seem to crave the (stress) release that the scuffling gives them.
However, to me this seems more popular than even the US tank drivers.
Sentiment was strong with the two girls and the tank drivers though personally I had no problem with backlash about it. I also thought it was a sad situation and wished hard that all military personel stationed here were real, real careful. Not driving over walking speed on a public road in a 10 tonne tank would be a normal sort of consideration, I would have thought. Even though it was all within regs, and regardless that Korean people kill many on the roads, we have to be extra-special careful. |
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The Bobster
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| Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 2:54 pm Post subject: |
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| What are the actual physical protester numbers, 200k? That would be .003% of the population? |
My Korean friends say their goal is to get an even million out on the pavement. But I think today is supposed to be the final day for this cycle. |
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Adventurer
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| Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2008 7:26 am Post subject: |
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| I don't feel the Korean population is reacting negatively against foreigners over this beef thing. I have had Koreans treat me quite well. |
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regicide
Joined: 01 Sep 2006
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| Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 8:28 pm Post subject: |
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| I don't feel the Korean population is reacting negatively against foreigners over this beef thing. I have had Koreans treat me quite well. |
I figured it was only a matter of time before the Korean-American community weighed in on the current US beef nonsense going on in Korea:
The Korean American Association of Greater New York has blasted some media outlets in Seoul for, as the organization put it, irresponsibly reporting groundless claims on the safety of U.S. beef.
They said the beef that ethnic Koreans consume in the U.S. and that is exported to Korea are the same, stressing it as proof of the beef�s safety.
The association claimed the image of Korea and Koreans is deteriorating in the U.S. because of such people in Seoul who use the mad cow scare to block the import of U.S. beef. Members said the move will adversely affect their own effort to have the Congress ratify the Korea-U.S. free trade agreement.
They urged responsible reporting by the Korean media saying groundless claims can snowball out of control in Internet-savvy Korea, distorting public opinion and fanning anxiety. [KBS Global]
The supposed Korean gene that makes them more susceptible to mad cow disease is some how remedied once a Korean moves to America it seems. Must be something in the air I guess. |
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mises
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| Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 8:31 pm Post subject: |
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| Seems that there is an attempt to link the beef thing with the hummer than ran over those girls. |
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