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jodyray



Joined: 02 Jun 2008

PostPosted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 5:35 am    Post subject: Masters degree Question Reply with quote

Hello guys,

I earned a Masters in The Netherlands at an International School where everything was conducted in English. Part of my diploma, however, is in Dutch.

Does the degree still "count"? Or will authorities/schools simply recognize my Bachelor's, which was obtained in the US?

Thanks..
Jody
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Bibbitybop



Joined: 22 Feb 2006
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 5:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Immigration needs your Bachelor's. They wouldn't accept my Master's! Only the Bachelor's!

Schools on the other hand should accept your Masters, especially if relates to English or education, but each school is different. Sounds like should be going for a public school gig first, not a hogwan, and the pay scales for the PS programs don't stipulate where a Masters comes from in order to be at a higher scale.

You have a passport from an approved English-speaking nation, right?
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jodyray



Joined: 02 Jun 2008

PostPosted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 5:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

yes, I am a US citizen but currently live in Amsterdam. I just completed my Master's Degree in International Relations/International Political Economy.

I was also wondering, if I get some gig in which flights are paid for, they would have to fly me from Amsterdam to SK, but my return flight would be different as I would not be returning to Amsterdam. Do you see any problems there?

Yeah, I've spent weeks going through this forum and it seems like public school is the best option for me, although I am quite confused with everything that I should be getting in order.

How does one approach employment at a public school with a reasonable contract? Recruiter or go through the ministry of education or a program like EPIK?
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Bibbitybop



Joined: 22 Feb 2006
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 7:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

First, if you've never had an E-2 visa, you will have to get your E-2 visa in your home country, in person, at the Korean Consulate (unless you can convince the Consulate to do it through mail, but this is NOT the norm).


Second, a public school will fly you here on a one way ticket (or reimburse you for it). When you leave, you can go anywhere. If it's not your home country, they will reimburse you or pay for a flight of equal or lesser value (or refund you the amount it would cost to fly you home).


Finally, I don't know about EPIK, but why work in the rural areas if you have a Masters? You can get any PS job you want. I'd shoot for SMOE (Seoul public schools) due to location and more vacation. Look up their ETIS website for application info. You will have to choose a recruiter from their list (and only choose ONE) and start the process from there.
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Pyongshin Sangja



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 8:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You will be fine for getting a visa with your US BA.

The Master's won't be looked at for visa purposes.

It's up to your employer as to whether or not he will "recognize" your Dutch Masters. I would be surprised if he did. Most of them have been dead for 400 years.
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Bibbitybop



Joined: 22 Feb 2006
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 5:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pyongshin Sangja wrote:
You will be fine for getting a visa with your US BA.

The Master's won't be looked at for visa purposes.

It's up to your employer as to whether or not he will "recognize" your Dutch Masters. I would be surprised if he did. Most of them have been dead for 400 years.


????

Go for public schools, a Master's is a Master's and the pay scale doesn't stipulate country of origin.

SMOE recognizes my TEFL from Thailand and gave me the pay raise for it.
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TBirdMG



Joined: 09 Dec 2006
Location: SF, CA, USA

PostPosted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 5:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Korean immigration will NOT ask to see any diploma qualification beyond the required BA. Just as Bibbity said, your employer will want to see the other documentation, but Korean immi ONLY wants the BA.
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talltony4



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 6:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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big_fella1



Joined: 08 Dec 2005

PostPosted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 6:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Korean immigration does accept a Masters degree for your visa (but university has to be in the 6 English speaking countries). I know this because I only have a masters and have held 2 E2's.
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cdninkorea



Joined: 27 Jan 2006
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 7:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

big_fella1 wrote:
Korean immigration does accept a Masters degree for your visa (but university has to be in the 6 English speaking countries). I know this because I only have a masters and have held 2 E2's.


I believe it's 7 countries: Canada, the US, Australia, New Zealand, the UK, Ireland and South Africa.

But out of curiosity, how is it possible to have a graduate degree without an undergraduate degree?
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big_fella1



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 8:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was wrong on number of countries.

Aussie universities will take 10 years experience in the field for direct entry to a Graduate Certificate program. Providing your Graduate Certificate GPA is sufficient you can then continue your studies to gain your Masters.
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SeoulFinn



Joined: 27 Feb 2006
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 13, 2008 1:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

cdninkorea wrote:
[...]But out of curiosity, how is it possible to have a graduate degree without an undergraduate degree?


Finland used to have similar system: Bachelor's degree wasn't a requirement for Master's degree. Only few people decided to get Bachelor's degree if they knew that they would receive their Master's later. Before the new university system a Bachelor's degree was considered almost useless in Finland.

In the new system, everyone has to receive Bachelor's degree in order to continue for Master's degree.

Anyway, I think that I have read about PhD programs (don't remember the country/countries) where the minimum requirement was a Bachelor's degree. What???
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big_fella1



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 13, 2008 1:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

SeoulFinn wrote:
cdninkorea wrote:
[...]But out of curiosity, how is it possible to have a graduate degree without an undergraduate degree?


Finland used to have similar system: Bachelor's degree wasn't a requirement for Master's degree. Only few people decided to get Bachelor's degree if they knew that they would receive their Master's later. Before the new university system a Bachelor's degree was considered almost useless in Finland.

In the new system, everyone has to receive Bachelor's degree in order to continue for Master's degree.

Anyway, I think that I have read about PhD programs (don't remember the country/countries) where the minimum requirement was a Bachelor's degree. What???


In Australia you have always been able to do a PhD after a Bachelor degree provided you received an honours (1 extra year) and you got 1st class honours.

There are other paths to PhD's but these are difficuult (ie a large body of published work in an area) but the professional doctorate programs (DBA, Juris Doctor) have much easier criteria to gain entry but not sure if you gain the title doctor afterwards.
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SeoulFinn



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 13, 2008 1:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Now that you explained it, it actually makes sense. Thanks!
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nate1983



Joined: 30 Mar 2008

PostPosted: Fri Jun 13, 2008 7:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

SeoulFinn wrote:


Anyway, I think that I have read about PhD programs (don't remember the country/countries) where the minimum requirement was a Bachelor's degree. What???


What? I am dropping out of a PhD program (despite having just passed quals last week, yay) to teach in Korea...tons of people enter without master's degrees (I had an MS but in a different field). Almost nowhere in the USA will you need an MS/MA to enter a doctoral program.
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