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Did Nixon call the WC a hoax?

 
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Otus



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 02, 2008 11:16 pm    Post subject: Did Nixon call the WC a hoax? Reply with quote

Was having a discussion with a colleague over lunch and somehow this topic came up.

Must have been more than 15 years ago I was browsing through books in the uni bookshop. I remember thumbing through one of Nixon's biographies and distinctly remember reading a quote where he referred to the Warren commission as a hoax. Wasn't really that interested in it at the time, but remembered it 'cause it seemed like a very direct and odd statement for him to make.

After repeating that quote out of the blue today, I thought I'd run a quick google check to see if it was legit. Turns out a BBC reporter used the quote in 2002 based on what was then released from the Nixon tapes. A typical net uproar followed and those who were disturbed by the comment claimed it was misinterpreted from the tapes and Nixon was referring to a particular interpretation of the Kennedy assasination, not the actual Warren Commission: mcadams.posc.mu.edu/nixon_hoax.htm

The funny thing is, I'm sure I read that statement in one of his biographies which must have been published at least 20 years earlier and he was referring directly to the Warren Commission. Could lead to an expensive Amazon purchase of Nixon books to actually prove. Has anyone else read such a statement prior to the further release of tapes in 2002?
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Otus



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 02, 2008 11:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not interested in any conspiracy theories with this one ... although I know some may use it for that purpose. Just wondering if an ex President would or did refer to a chief justice of the supreme court in that kind of manner ...
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regicide



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 13, 2008 10:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Otus wrote:
Not interested in any conspiracy theories with this one ... although I know some may use it for that purpose. Just wondering if an ex President would or did refer to a chief justice of the supreme court in that kind of manner ...


This is what John F.Kennedy said about Richard Nixon:

"Mr. Nixon in the last seven days has called me an economic ignoramus,
a Pied Piper, and all the rest. I've just confined myself to calling him a
Republican, but he says that is getting low."

Nixon falsely claimed that the first he heard of Kennedy's death was during a taxi ride in New York City, however, a UPI photo reveals the truth. The photo shows a "shocked Richard Nixon" [HIS Dealy Plaza, 'hobo' act] having already learned of Kennedy's assassination upon his arrival at New York's Idlewild Airport --BEFORE his alleged taxi ride. Perhaps, Richard Nixon does not want us to know who picked him up at the airport, who he talked to or what he said, but he doesn't have to lie to us.
Many researchers have linked Richard Nixon to the assassination of John F. Kennedy because his outright lies, the secrecy and his selective amnesia is very telling. For example, as H.R. Haldeman indicates in his book, "The Ends of Power", Watergate was ultimately about a shocking scandal that preceded a simple burglary, and as Haldeman indicates:

In fact, I was puzzled when he [Nixon] told me, 'Tell Ehrlichman this whole group of Cubans [Watergate Burglars] is tied to the Bay of Pigs.' After a pause I said, 'The Bay of Pigs? What does that have to do with the Watergate Burglary?' But Nixon merely said, 'Ehrlichman will know what I mean,' and dropped the subject.

It is now quite clear and obvious that the Watergate burglars were tied to the murder of John F. Kennedy, and Haldeman does not mince words when he says, "It seems that in all of those Nixon references to the Bay of Pigs, he was actually referring to the Kennedy assassination."


History is one big lie because we fail to expose the truth.

In his memoirs, Nixon said that "the factual truth [about Watergate] could probably never be completely reconstructed, because each of us had become involved in different ways and no one's knowledge at any given time exactly duplicated anyone else's." Richard Nixon was wrong.

High level obstructions of justice within the FBI made the Watergate investigation superficial, but the cover up ultimately exposed the truth. The Kennedy assassination investigation is no different because, having successfully obscurred what Nixon called "the factual truth," high level obstruction of justice within the FBI made the Kennedy assassination investigation an absolute whitewash, and the cover up is the crime.

Indeed, the factual truth that Richard Nixon's estate is still trying to block, is no longer in doubt.

History is one big lie, when we fail to expose deception, time has a way of exposing all the factual truths that Richard Nixon thought he had buried.

First and foremost, we need to clearly appreciate the fact that Richard Nixon's greatest shortcoming was not Watergate, but his direct involvement in the domestic, assassination plots of the 1960's.

Indeed, it is a documented, proven fact that Nixon's cronies plotted outright political murder (Jack Anderson was lucky to survive.) He was scheming to have people beaten up. He associated with mobsters. Nazi propaganda films were being shown in the White House. His men schemed to burglarize Republican headquarters and blame it on the Democrats. They schemed to plant McGovern campaign literature in the apartment of Art Brehmer, the would-be assassin of George Wallace, and the evidence strongly suggests they probably even schemed to assassinate Ted Kennedy, and after having failed, they blamed the fortunate survivor for the death of unintended victim, Mary Jo Kopechne.

Indeed, Nixon's memoirs are littered with evidence that as far as he was concerned, Chappaquiddick was nothing more than an election issue, it had nothing to do with a tragic murder. To quote Richard Nixon directly:

In the short term, I knew that Chappaquiddick would undermine Kennedy's role as a leader of the opposition to the administration's policies. In the longer term, it would be one of his greatest liabilities if he decided to run for President in 1972.

It was clear that the full story of what had happened that night on Chappaquidick had not come out, [how did he know, did his plan misfire?] and I suspected that the press would not try very hard to uncover it. Therefore I told Ehrlichman to have someone investigate the case for us and get the real facts out. [we all know what that means in Nixon-speak.] "Don't let up on this for a minute," I said. "Just put yourself in their place if something like that happened to us." In fact, our private investigator was unable to turn out anything besides rumors.

Needless to say, the truth was damaging to Richard Nixon, because if it wasn't, he would not have to rely on rumors about Chappaquiddick , for political advantage. The truth is, Nixon feared another Kennedy candidacy and Chappaquiddick was Richard Nixon's failed attempt to assassinate yet another political rival.


The truth about Richard Nixon is routinely and aggressively distorted to justify every assault against a Democratic Party that is supposed to roll over and play dead, whenever the Conservative media flexes its political muscle.


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 14, 2008 7:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So Nixon assassinated Lennon? Evil bastard!
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 14, 2008 10:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Richard Nixon was removed by the CIA. The strategy used by the CIA was more sophisticated than the one used against JFK. Both men attempted to undermine the power of the CIA. The source of JFK�s demise was Cuba. Nixon�s removal was the result of appointing James Schlesinger as director of the CIA. Nixon�s removal became inevitable after Schlesinger issued a directive to all CIA employees on 9th May, 1973: �I have ordered all senior operating officials of this Agency to report to me immediately on any activities now going on, or might have gone on in the past, which might be considered to be outside the legislative charter of this Agency. I hereby direct every person presently employed by CIA to report to me on any such activities of which he has knowledge. I invite all ex-employees to do the same. Anyone who has such information should call my secretary and say that he wishes to talk to me about �activities outside the CIA�s charter�.

There were several employees who had been trying to complain about the illegal CIA activities for some time. As Cord Meyer pointed out, this directive �was a hunting license for the resentful subordinate to dig back into the records of the past in order to come up with evidence that might destroy the career of a superior whom he long hated.� Meyer, who had been deeply involved in Operation Mockingbird, was one of those who feared the consequences of Schlesinger�s directive.

Nixon backed down after three months Nixon and replaced him with William Colby. Colby did what he could to protect the CIA. However, by this time Congress had become more interested in the CIA�s illegal activities. When in 1975 both houses of Congress set up inquiries into the activities of the intelligence community, Colby handed over to the Senate committee chaired by Frank Church details of the CIA's recent operations against the left-leaning government in Chile. The agency's attempts to sabotage the Chilean economy had contributed to the downfall of South America's oldest democracy and to the installation of a military dictatorship.

His testimony resulted in his predecessor, Richard Helms, being indicted for perjury. Colby was attacked by right-wing figures such as Barry Goldwater for supplying this information to the Frank Church and on 30 January 1976, President Gerald Ford replaced him with George G. W. Bush. The �Secret Team� now led by Ted Shackley, was back in control.

To really understand what Watergate was all about the timeline needs to start with Nixon�s decision to establish an in-house investigative capability that could be used to obtain sensitive political information. Jack Caulfield was hired to do this by H. R. Haldeman in May 1968. The following year (March, 1969) Caulfield employed Tony Ulasewicz. His first job was to investigate Bobby Baker�s relationship with various Democratic politicians. However, he mainly concentrated on Edward Kennedy, the man who Nixon believed had the potential to defeat him in 1972.

According to the testimony of Tony Ulasewicz, on 19th July, 1969, he received a phone call from Jack Caulfield: "Get out to Martha's Vineyard as fast as you can, Tony. Kennedy's car ran off a bridge last night. There was a girl in it. She's dead." This phone call took place less than two hours after the body of Mary Jo Kopechne, the former secretary of Robert Kennedy, had been found in a car that Caulfield suspected Edward Kennedy had been driving.

Ulasewicz was already at the scene of the crime before it took place. Ulasewicz admits that he was able to interview several key witnesses before the police got to them. This included Sylvia Malm who was staying in Dike House at the time. Dike House was only 150 yards from the scene of the accident. Malm told Ulasewicz that she was reading in bed on the night of the accident. She remained awake until midnight but no one knocked on her door.

Ulasewicz also discovered that the request for an autopsy by Edmund Dinis, the District Attorney of Suffolk County, had been denied. Dinis was told that the body had already been sent to Kopechne's family. This was untrue, the body was still in Edgartown. Ulasewicz also interviewed John Farrar, the scuba diver who pulled Mary Jo Kopechne out of Kennedy's car. Farrar told Ulasewicz that the evidence he saw suggested that she had been trapped alive for several hours inside Kennedy's car.

He also discovered that the "records of Edward Kennedy's telephone calls in the hours after the accident at Chappaquiddict were withheld by the telephone company from an inquest into the death of Mary Jo Kopechne without the knowledge of the Assistant District Attorney who asked for them".

Ulasewicz was also used to meet Timothy Gratz in December, 1972. Gratz, who used to be a member of the forum, has been linked by Richard E. Sprague with Arthur Bremer. This is what Sprague says about this relationship in �The Taking of America�.

�What evidence is there that Bremer's attempt on Wallace was a directed attempt by a conspiratorial group? Bremer himself has told his brother that others were involved and that he was paid by them. Researcher William Turner has turned up evidence in Milwaukee and surrounding towns in Wisconsin that Bremer received money from a group associated with Dennis Cassini, Donald Segretti and J. Timothy Gratz.�

Nixon was blackmailed by the CIA into taking the rap for Watergate in return for not being exposed for his role in the removal of Edward Kennedy and George Wallace from the 1972 presidential election. It was part of the deal that Nixon did not expose the CIA�s role in the assassination of JFK (Nixon had got this information from William Sullivan who carried out the investigation of the assassination on behalf of the FBI).

An investigation of Jack Paisley is essential in understanding both the JFK assassination and Watergate.
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