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MA_TESOL
Joined: 11 Nov 2007
Location: Seoul
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 Posted: Sat Jun 07, 2008 1:38 am Post subject: What is your opinion of the Daila Lama |
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| Just wondering. Is he truly a humanitarian? Is he that wise? I am interested in reading some of his books, any suggestions? |
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ultra
Joined: 09 Nov 2007
Location: Book Han Gook Land Of Opportunity
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| Posted: Sat Jun 07, 2008 1:58 am Post subject: Re: What is your opinion of the Daila Lama |
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| MA_TESOL wrote: |
| Just wondering. Is he truly a humanitarian? |
Sometimes he eats vegetables. |
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tfunk
Joined: 12 Aug 2006
Location: Dublin, Ireland
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| Posted: Sat Jun 07, 2008 3:04 am Post subject: |
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The Dali Lama writes a lot of books on leading a peaceful and happy life. It seems to me that on a personal level he leads a peaceful and happy life, if photos are anything to go by (!) and given the adverse conditions of his teens.
The odd thing is that he's the figurative leader of a nation that by all accounts have been suffering on various levels (political, economic) etc.
What specific field is he qualified to be an authority in? Surely not bringing happiness to his kinsmen. |
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PBRstreetgang21
Joined: 19 Feb 2007
Location: Orlando, FL--- serving as man's paean to medocrity since 1971!
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| Posted: Sat Jun 07, 2008 3:08 am Post subject: |
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Not the brightest bulb of the bunch if you ask me. He spouts loads of platitudes about peace and happiness any 9yr old could come up with all the while trying sucker money out of celebrities for his project of creating an independent (now its changed to autonomous) tibet. Nevermind the fact that as bad as the Chinese are in running Tibet, back when the lama's ran it before the chinese, the monks were wealthy and fat off the poor, and eye gouging and boiling people alive where common punichments for common crimes. Life expectency was roughly 30-ish. Yes lets "Free Tibet" but from Whom?
I mean I think he is a well meaning character but he argues for peace and then back in 70s/80s got caught receiving millions of dollars in CIA money, much of which was used for Tibetan paramilitary training camp in Colorado.
Now he busies himself with nonsensical pronouncments like "Homosexuality is ok, but if you are a Buddhist its wrong" "Masturbation is a sin, but sex with whores is ok"
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Like I said, well meaning, but not the brightest
BTW I am a Buddhist, so I supposed I a vested interest in ppl quit associating this man with my religion when in fact he represents not even all of Tibetan Buddhism, but just one sect within Tibetan Buddhism (the one that happened to kill and maim its way to the top of the food chain oh so long ago). |
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Pete82
Joined: 12 Apr 2008
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Stormy
Joined: 10 Jan 2008
Location: Here & there
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| Posted: Sat Jun 07, 2008 7:42 am Post subject: |
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| Sharon Stone likes him & that's good enough for me. |
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Insidejohnmalkovich
Joined: 11 Jan 2008
Location: Pusan
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| Posted: Sat Jun 07, 2008 1:59 pm Post subject: |
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| He's a pagan witchdoctor for a bunch of heathens. |
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adios4ca
Joined: 09 Sep 2007
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Sat Jun 07, 2008 5:30 pm Post subject: |
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before 1949, His Holiness the Dalai Lama was the largest slave owner on this planet in history, ever.
think about that.
but i am sure it was a very peaceful, lovely slavery system back then. |
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itaewonguy
Joined: 25 Mar 2003
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| Posted: Sat Jun 07, 2008 8:01 pm Post subject: |
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| adios4ca wrote: |
before 1949, His Holiness the Dalai Lama was the largest slave owner on this planet in history, ever.
think about that.
but i am sure it was a very peaceful, lovely slavery system back then. |
you are mistaken! |
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Troll_Bait
Joined: 04 Jan 2006
Location: [T]eaching experience doesn't matter much. -Lee Young-chan (pictured)
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| Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 1:25 am Post subject: |
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| PBRstreetgang21 wrote: |
Not the brightest bulb of the bunch if you ask me. He spouts loads of platitudes about peace and happiness any 9yr old could come up with all the while trying sucker money out of celebrities for his project of creating an independent (now its changed to autonomous) tibet. Nevermind the fact that as bad as the Chinese are in running Tibet, back when the lama's ran it before the chinese, the monks were wealthy and fat off the poor, and eye gouging and boiling people alive where common punichments for common crimes. Life expectency was roughly 30-ish. Yes lets "Free Tibet" but from Whom?
I mean I think he is a well meaning character but he argues for peace and then back in 70s/80s got caught receiving millions of dollars in CIA money, much of which was used for Tibetan paramilitary training camp in Colorado.
Now he busies himself with nonsensical pronouncments like "Homosexuality is ok, but if you are a Buddhist its wrong" "Masturbation is a sin, but sex with whores is ok"
etc.
Like I said, well meaning, but not the brightest
BTW I am a Buddhist, so I supposed I a vested interest in ppl quit associating this man with my religion when in fact he represents not even all of Tibetan Buddhism, but just one sect within Tibetan Buddhism (the one that happened to kill and maim its way to the top of the food chain oh so long ago). |
His administration has acknowledged that it received $1.7 million a year in the 1960s from the U.S. Government through the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), and also trained a resistance movement in Colorado (USA).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tenzin_Gyatso%2C_14th_Dalai_Lama#Criticism
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When asked by CIA officer John Kenneth Knaus in 1995 whether the organization did a good or bad thing in providing its support, the Dalai Lama replied that though it helped the morale of those resisting the Chinese, "thousands of lives were lost in the resistance" and further, that "the U.S. Government had involved itself in his country's affairs not to help Tibet but only as a Cold War tactic to challenge the Chinese."
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So, are you suggesting that a nation under occupation has no right to fight for its liberation and, by extension, should refuse any money or help offered it?
Yes, the idea that Tibet before the occupation was some kind of Shangri-la is a myth. Here's a scathing article regarding it.
http://www.swans.com/library/art9/mparen01.html
Here's an equally-scathing rebuttal:
http://studentsforafreetibet.org/article.php?id=425
And here are some rebuttals in Letters to the Editor.
http://www.swans.com/library/art9/letter26.html
I'd like to point out a few things:
- The feudal system was already in place before the Dalai Lama was chosen.
- He was only 15 years old when he became the head of state. One month before becoming head of state, his country was invaded by China. Nine years later, he was forced to flee to India. Do you really expect for him to have single-handedly dismantled the system at that young age, and under those circumstances?
- Tibetans hated the old system, but don't blame him for it, and in fact continue to revere him, carrying photos of him with them.
- The Dalai Lama has admitted to being an owner of slaves. He has described the previous feudal system as "very very bad." He does not have any desire for a return to the old feudal system.
- Whether he's bowing to reality or trying to be amicable to the Chinese, the Dalai Lama has given up his dream of an independant Tibet, instead hoping for greater autonomy within China. Do you criticize him for it?
- If Tibet had been successfully liberated by its freedom fighters, there's a low chance that the societal structure would have reverted back to exactly what it was before. When Korea was liberated in 1945, did it automatically go back to the feudal system that existed before the Japanese Occupation?
- You accuse him of "suckering celebrities out of their money." How do you know it's not freely given?
- You accuse him of "spouting platitudes that a nine-year-old could come up with." Do you think that ripping on celebrities makes you some kind of intellectual titan?
- All religious leaders, not just he, give pronouncements upon issues such as sexuality. If you choose to call them "nonsensical" and not follow them, then that's your choice. He's just doing his job. |
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adios4ca
Joined: 09 Sep 2007
Location: Seoul
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show me why.
or i will call you a big fat liar.
| itaewonguy wrote: |
| adios4ca wrote: |
before 1949, His Holiness the Dalai Lama was the largest slave owner on this planet in history, ever.
think about that.
but i am sure it was a very peaceful, lovely slavery system back then. |
you are mistaken! |
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adios4ca
Joined: 09 Sep 2007
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 5:03 am Post subject: |
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no it is not a myth, it is a straight lie - that pre-1949 Tibet was Shangri-la. Or it was the Shangri-la for slave owners.
| Troll_Bait wrote: |
| Yes, the idea that Tibet before the occupation was some kind of Shangri-la is a myth. |
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adios4ca
Joined: 09 Sep 2007
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 5:22 am Post subject: |
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| Troll_Bait wrote: |
I'd like to point out a few things:
- The feudal system was already in place before the Dalai Lama was chosen.
- He was only 15 years old when he became the head of state. One month before becoming head of state, his country was invaded by China. Nine years later, he was forced to flee to India. Do you really expect for him to have single-handedly dismantled the system at that young age, and under those circumstances? |
so i think it is perfectly understandable that when the North invaded the South, the southerners had no choice but to stand up and fight against those Yankees - because they had no choice, the slavery system was their before they were born.
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| - Tibetans hated the old system, but don't blame him for it, and in fact continue to revere him, carrying photos of him with them. |
i didn't know we here have a speaksperson for the Tibet people.
just wondering where did you get that info, have you done any survey in Tibet, eh, say, you know, just 1% of the Tibetan population, and get that?
or just "read some books", "talked to some Tibetans"?
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| - Whether he's bowing to reality or trying to be amicable to the Chinese, the Dalai Lama has given up his dream of an independant Tibet, instead hoping for greater autonomy within China. Do you criticize him for it? |
yes because you are wrong here my friend.
today's terriroty of Tibet, or that of the pre-1949 era, is only 120,000 sq km.
Dalai Lama is asking for 3 times the size of it - he is asking for the area of ancient Tibet 1,000 years ago.
by the same token, shouldn't all the Americans go back to the fxxking Europe and give the whole Americas back to the natives?
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| - If Tibet had been successfully liberated by its freedom fighters, there's a low chance that the societal structure would have reverted back to exactly what it was before. When Korea was liberated in 1945, did it automatically go back to the feudal system that existed before the Japanese Occupation? |
you need to get one thing straight pal before you speak - Korea and Tibet were not under the same "feudal" system - Tibet's was serfdom, much closer to slavery. |
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nautilus
Joined: 26 Nov 2005
Location: Je jump, Tu jump, oui jump!
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| Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 5:47 am Post subject: |
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| Unable to win independence by armed conflict, he has found refuge in philosophy |
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fence sitter
Joined: 17 Aug 2006
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| Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 6:04 am Post subject: |
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| I don't know about the Dalai Lama, but every morning I have the Daily Llama delivered to my front doorstep. It's a good read. |
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