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Rumple



Joined: 19 Sep 2007

PostPosted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 9:00 pm    Post subject: Good Uni = Tough Competition Reply with quote

So I go into my first uni interview today...it is in Daejeon, and at a well respected university (good reputation with ESL teachers, and quite large in size).

I've got two years experience teaching in Korea, and a Master's degree, and I'm thinking, "I'm competent."

Then I see my competition: they put about ten of us in a room together and called us one by one. I'm 35, and was the youngest. The first applicant to walk in after me started speaking what sounded like fluent Korean to an administrative assistant. Nobody in the room (besides me) had less than 5 years experience in Korea. Most of them were already at universities and were trying to move up to a better one.

They are hiring for more than one position, but damn, that's still some killer competition.

I had a 15 minute interview with two foreign teachers (there was a Korean there, but he just observed), and then a short teaching demonstration in front of three older, distinguished-looking Korean women, both of which spoke fluent English.

My unsolicited advice is, if you're going to apply to the majors, you gotta have game! I'm usually great in an interview, but all of the above was intimidating.
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chriswylson



Joined: 20 Feb 2007

PostPosted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 9:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Daejon = "the majors"?! Laughing One day maybe you'll make it to Seoul.
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Rumple



Joined: 19 Sep 2007

PostPosted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 9:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

chriswylson wrote:
Daejon = "the majors"?! :lol: One day maybe you'll make it to Seoul.


I appreciate the condescension, but no, I'll never work in Seoul. No interest.

It isn't the city, or even the prestige of the university that makes it "the majors," as far as I'm concerned. It is the caliber of the competition, the amount of competition, and how well the university shows that they want to hire good people (i.e. salary and benefits package).

Without announcing it in advance, they told me to stop by and pick up my travel allowance on my way back. It was enough money to go to Daejeon, spend the night there, and come home. It was more than I spent. That was a nice touch.
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chriswylson



Joined: 20 Feb 2007

PostPosted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 10:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It is the caliber of the competition, the amount of competition, and how well the university shows that they want to hire good people (i.e. salary and benefits package).

Exactly. So why stay in Daejon then?! Get out of the CBA and join the NBA!
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DrunkenMaster



Joined: 04 Feb 2008

PostPosted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 11:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rumple, a very large amount of these people are shopping around for the best gig they can find, and if you hang in long enough, you might find that you get a job offer when you weren't expecting it.
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crazy_arcade



Joined: 05 Nov 2006

PostPosted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 12:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I guess the Seoulcentric posters on this board have never heard of Kaist.... Confused
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chriswylson



Joined: 20 Feb 2007

PostPosted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 1:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

KAIST is one, yes.... the ONLY decent school outside of Seoul actually. Nice try anyway. Confused
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bassexpander



Joined: 13 Sep 2007
Location: Someplace you'd rather be.

PostPosted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 2:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Daejon?

Laughing

Ooooooooooookkkkkkkkk...........

Generally, our uni doesn't get to hire the top two or three candidates on our list. They go to better schools.

And we're in Seoul, by the way.
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KoreanAmbition



Joined: 03 Feb 2008

PostPosted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 2:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why is it that most people refer to "the best school" without caring what the teacher wants?


If every single teacher out there considers University XYZ at THE BEST IN KOREA but it doesn't appeal to a certain teacher, then it doesn't matter.

If someone wants to teach in Daejon, as this OP does, then he doesn't overly care about the situation in Seoul. In fact, some or possibly many of the others that interviewed against him might not care for Seoul either.

Bassexpander, what university are you at again? I thought you were at a good school, but you claim that your top recruits normally go elsewhere.
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ChinaBoy



Joined: 17 Feb 2007

PostPosted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 3:19 am    Post subject: Re: Good Uni = Tough Competition Reply with quote

Rumple wrote:

Then I see my competition: they put about ten of us in a room together and called us one by one. I'm 35, and was the youngest. The first applicant to walk in after me started speaking what sounded like fluent Korean to an administrative assistant. Nobody in the room (besides me) had less than 5 years experience in Korea. Most of them were already at universities and were trying to move up to a better one.

They are hiring for more than one position, but damn, that's still some killer competition.



one's age and being able to speak Korean does not in any way imply that they are "killer competition"
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Rumple



Joined: 19 Sep 2007

PostPosted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 4:41 am    Post subject: Re: Good Uni = Tough Competition Reply with quote

ChinaBoy wrote:
Rumple wrote:

Then I see my competition: they put about ten of us in a room together and called us one by one. I'm 35, and was the youngest. The first applicant to walk in after me started speaking what sounded like fluent Korean to an administrative assistant. Nobody in the room (besides me) had less than 5 years experience in Korea. Most of them were already at universities and were trying to move up to a better one.

They are hiring for more than one position, but damn, that's still some killer competition.



one's age and being able to speak Korean does not in any way imply that they are "killer competition"


I agree with that on its face, but what I'm thinking is that if everyone is older than 35, and all those folks were selected to interview, then I'm not much like the rest of the pack...I understand that's usually a positive in American culture, because you have to differentiate yourself to get noticed, but I don't know that its positive in this situation.

Regarding the guy who spoke fluent Korean, I think most people that have dedicated enough time to a culture to learn its language fluently probably have a better nuanced understanding of that culture than I do. And that might give one an edge over me in an interview.
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esetters21



Joined: 30 Apr 2006
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 5:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

crazy_arcade wrote:
I guess the Seoulcentric posters on this board have never heard of Kaist.... Confused


Laughing I've heard of it. My gf is a graduate.

Chriswylson, you seem to think you know the best universities in Korea. Let us hear your top five for reference.
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DrunkenMaster



Joined: 04 Feb 2008

PostPosted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 5:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
. Organization : Dong Seoul College
(It is located in Songnam-city and takes 5 minutes from
Bokjung subway station.)
3. Recruiting Areas
- Leisure Sports
- Martial Arts
4. Qualifications
- Master's Degree
- English Native Speakers
- Korean speaking ability is preferred
- Korean-American/Korean-Canadian/ an applicant who hold a martial
art's degree or certificate is preferred


Any black belt Gyopos out there? This is your chance.
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IMF crisis



Joined: 27 Mar 2008

PostPosted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 6:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Any idea what the starting salary would be at this Daejeon uni?
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chriswylson



Joined: 20 Feb 2007

PostPosted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 7:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chriswylson, you seem to think you know the best universities in Korea. Let us hear your top five for reference.


There's a thing called Google. Or ask your Kaist girlfriend Seo InYoung, ha! Or even better... ask Mr. Dr. Prof. Pragic, PhD!!!
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