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Gatsby
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 Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 6:01 am Post subject: Demystifying the Mad Cow madness |
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The facts about "Mad Cow Disease" or BSE, and Creutzfeldt-Jakob Disease or CJD, and the newer form, variant Creutzfeldt-Jakob Disease, or vCJD, are readily available through the internet if you know how to search for them.
In a search engine such as Google, type the disease you are interested in, the country you are interested in getting statistics on, and either the word "incidence" or "epidemiology."
The government agencies that provide information and statistics on diseases and other health issues in the United States are the Centers for Disease Control in Atlanta, or CDC, and the National Institutes of Health, or NIH. The United States Department of Agriculture (USDA) is responsible for protecting the food supply, and they also have information. So you can also find information by adding these agencies to your search query.
Here are their websites:
http://www.cdc.gov/
http://www.nih.gov/
http://www.usda.gov/wps/portal/usdahome
Another source is PubMed:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez/
Here you can search for scientific journal articles on any health related subject. You can retrieve an abstract of the article for free, but you may have to pay a fee to get the full article.
I should add that a journalist can get information and comments directly from the CDC or NIH, and ask any tough questions they like, just by contacting them:
http://www.cdc.gov/media/
http://www.nih.gov/news/media_contacts.htm
While it is common to see comments in news articles from these agencies on topical stories, such as the salmonella outbreak, I have yet to see any news stories about the Korean Mad Cow controversy where the reporter has contacted either the NIH or CDC for comment on Mad Cow Disease or vCJD. And this goes for both Korean media and international media. Why is this? There is a a lot of astonishing nonsense being spread around Korea about the risks from American beef. (It's hard to top the "American Beef Makes Me Horny T-shirts" Korean women protesters are wearing.) Why are no reporters covering this and doing a reality check with the facts? Reporters, if you are reading this, why not call them up, or e-mail them for comments? Trust me, they will talk to you.
So what do we learn if we do a little searching?
There have been only three cases of BSE (Mad Cow Disease) found in the United States, and one of these was a cow born in Canada. This is out of around 1 million cows tested, and a population of about 48 million cows in the United States. Only two American cows have been found with Mad Cow Disease. The initial Korean ban on American beef came in 2003, after the first cow was found in the United States with Mad Cow Disease, but was in fact a cow brought in from Canada.
Specifically, 735,213 cattle were sampled in the seven years prior to March 17, 2006, and two American cows and one cow from Canada (in 2003) were found to be infected with BSE:
http://www.aphis.usda.gov/newsroom/hot_issues/bse/downloads/BSEprev-estFINAL_7-20-06.pdf
Altogether, 15 cows in North America (Canada and the U.S.) have been found to have BSE, so that adds up to 12 Canadian cows, two American cows and one cow born in Canada but identified in the U.S.
http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/dvrd/bse/images/BSE_chart.gif
http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/dvrd/bse/
Compare that to the number of cases in Europe, and specifically the United Kingdom:
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"The BSE epidemic in the United Kingdom peaked in January 1993 at almost 1,000 new cases per week. Through the end of 2007, more than 184,500 cases of BSE had been confirmed in the United Kingdom alone in more than 35,000 herds." |
http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/dvrd/bse/
While there is a small spelling difference between the United Kingdom and the United States, there is a big geographic difference between the United Kingdom and the United States. They are separated by the Atlantic Ocean. Prions, which are believed to be the agents for transmitting BSE, presumably are not able to travel thousands of miles across the ocean by themselves. There has been a Mad Cow outbreak in the United Kingdom. There has NOT been any Mad Cow outbreak in the United States.
Some people have claimed a connection between CJD and BSE. There is no known connection. About 1 person in a million gets CJD, in the United States and every other country in the world.
Look at the right side of this graph:
http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/dvrd/cjd/images/cjd7905_annual-rate-slide.png
This shows the rate of CJD in the United States per 1 million people - it is about 1 person per million. The left side shows the total number in the United States, but keep in mind the U.S. has a population of about 300 million people. There has been no significant change in the rate since the United Kingdom BSE outbreak.
About 15 percent of CJD cases appear to have a hereditary component. Aside from that, CJD seems to a disease that arises in humans spontaneously, without any known external cause. It is easy to distinguish from the far more common Alzheimer's disease through testing and symptoms.
The disease that some theorize may be caused by BSE is called vCJD. The CDC says there is evidence for a causal relation:
http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/dvrd/vcjd/
While several cases of vCJD have been found in the United Kingdom, only three have been found in the United States. And all three of them appear to have been contracted outside the United States.
"Three cases of vCJD have been reported from the United States. By convention, variant CJD cases are ascribed to the country of initial symptom onset, regardless of where the exposure occurred. There is strong evidence that suggests that two of the three cases were exposed to the BSE agent in the United Kingdom and that the third was exposed while living in Saudi Arabia."
http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/dvrd/vcjd/factsheet_nvcjd.htm
There is NO SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE of any outbreak of mad cow disease, or human infections related to mad cow disease, in the United States.
Yet if you ask a Korean to guess how many cows in the United States are infected with mad cow disease, or how many people are infected with CJD or vCJD, they will often estimate anywhere from 10 percent to 30 percent.
Clearly, Koreans are misinformed on these issues.
And they clearly do not understand how mad cow disease is transmitted from cow to cow or from cow to humans.
Why is there no mad cow disease in the United States? Because the U.S. took steps more than 10 years ago to prevent BSE, before any outbreak occurred:
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"To prevent BSE from entering the United States, severe restrictions were placed on the importation of live ruminants, such as cattle, sheep, and goats, and certain ruminant products from countries where BSE was known to exist. These restrictions were later extended to include importation of ruminants and certain ruminant products from all European countries.
"Because the use of ruminant tissue in ruminant feed was probably a necessary factor responsible for the BSE outbreak in the United Kingdom and because of the current evidence for possible transmission of BSE to humans, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration instituted a ruminant feed ban in June 1997 that became fully effective as of October 1997." |
http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/dvrd/vcjd/factsheet_nvcjd.htm
Because these steps were taken in 1997, an American cow would theoretically have to be more than 11 years old to be at any risk of having BSE. Therefore, Korea's concern about American cows being less than 30 months old is irrelevant. I don't think cattlemen normally raise cows that long if intended for sale and slaughter for beef.
What are your risks of contracting vCJD from eating American beef? Pretty low. Take any rare event, such as being struck by lightning or winning the lottery, and your odds would be much higher.
Here is what the NIH estimates is the risk for travelers visiting the United Kingdom, where there actually have been cattle found with BSE:
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"Risk for Travelers
The current risk of acquiring vCJD from eating beef (muscle meat) and beef products produced from cattle in countries with at least a possibly increased risk of BSE cannot be determined precisely. If public health measures are being well implemented the current risk of acquiring vCJD from eating beef and beef products from these countries appears to be extremely small, although probably not zero. A rough estimate of this risk for the UK in the recent past, for example, was about 1 case per 10 billion servings." |
http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/dvrd/vcjd/risk_travelers.htm
So, if you have a 1 in 10 billion chance of getting vCJD from eating a serving of beef, in the United Kingdom, what would the odds be for eating beef from the United States? 1 in 1 quadrillion? It is probably not zero because, like CJD, there may be a possibility that mad cow disease can arise spontaneously in cows. But then that risk would exist in Korean cows, too, as well as Australian cows. The risk of a human getting ill from cooked beef are still extremely low. The risk goes up if you eat the cow's brain. So don't eat cow's brains, especially raw.
How many more common food borne illnesses exist in Korea? How many people are killed or hospitalized from them each year? And, while we're at it, why are Koreans afraid to drink tap water?
So why are Koreans, including little children less than 10 years old and sometimes less than 5, marching and chanting slogans against the United States and Mad Cow Disease?
(I hope there are no mistakes or typos in this posting. I apologize if there are. Please point out any factual errors or typos. But I wanted to get this posted today. I am sick of remaining silent.)
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elliemk
Joined: 01 Jul 2007
Location: Sparkling Korea!
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| Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 6:40 am Post subject: |
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Fascinating and confirms what I have known all along. Koreans believe the media here. They also believe what other Koreans tell them.
Example: my students in my advanced class said that pollution here was caused by Koreans using shampoo. Where did they get this? From their teachers. Go figure. I assigned them an essay on pollution in Korea, and they all came back with, "Korean pollution is caused by waste water from factories and other causes." Amazing.
Thanks for a great post. |
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Gatsby
Joined: 09 Feb 2007
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| Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 3:02 pm Post subject: |
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It's true! All of the things you have heard are true! I can see I couldn't pull the wool over the eyes of you Davizens.
There really is Mad Kow Disease in the United States, and it's rampant. More than half the kows are infected with this insidious disease.
And more than a third of Americans are dying from Mad Kow Disease. Streets are empty, houses unsold, school desks gathering dust. That's why the government has added an aphrodisiac to beef, to help repopulate the country. Only it's working a little too well. American women aren't just horny from eating American beef, they are ravenous for sex.
Sex, sex, sex, sex, sex --- I can't take it anymore! I was exhausted by the unceasing demands of American women to copulate three, four, five times a day. That's why I came to Korea, to live among women who are chaste. And to eat kimchi to recharge my precious bodily fluids.
But now the United States is trying to send its tainted, poisonous beef to the gentle, peace loving, civilized country of Korea. You're next, baby! And since, as everyone knows, Koreans are genetically super-sensitive to scourage of Mad Kow Disease -- we can already see the madness setting in from the earlier shipments -- once American beef imports resume, Koreans will be dropping like flies.
This depopulation is exactly what the evil, hateful people of the United States want. They want to take over the bountiful natural resources of South Korea, especially its kimchi mines, and use the countryside to raise healthy kows to feed Americans. If Korea's leaders give in South Korea will be little more than one big kow pasture for the United States.
All the statistics cited in the first post are complete fabrications to conceal the dreadful truth. It is a vast conspiracy perpetrated with the full knowledge and cooperation of the CIA, NSA, CDC, NIH, FDA, USDA, WHO, UN, and every county Cooperative Extension Agent in the United States. Even though they can see the kows and people dying in front of their eyes, they have united with one goal: to deceive the Korean public. Even the reporters and editors at the thousands of newspapers and hundreds of television stations in the United States have signed on to this deception. Why are they doing it? Patriotism. Deception in the name of patriotism is no vice.
Korea, don't start on the slippery slope to disease, perversion and moral turpitude. Sure, a hamburger made with American beef may seem harmless enough. They even want to feed them to little children! Can you believe it! Trying to pervert the minds of babies into thinking that there is actually something good about the United States of America. Why, the Chinese will not stand for it! (And aren't they the ones who are really running this show?) First, a hamburger, but then, what's next? The United States will be exporting it's marijuana to Korea and feeding it to little Korean babies, getting them hooked, and turning them into zombies of the West for life. And after that? Opium smoked in opium dens?
Korea, you have been warned! So continue your protest marches. Tear apart every bus in Seoul if necessary to get your message apart. The world is watching.
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seirogan
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| Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 3:14 pm Post subject: |
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| you are aware that "makes me horny" t-shirt was a photoshop joke...aren't you? |
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Gatsby
Joined: 09 Feb 2007
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| Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 3:31 pm Post subject: |
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seirogan wrote:
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| you are aware that "makes me horny" t-shirt was a photoshop joke...aren't you? |
It's a lie!
It's a lie!
It's a lie!
It's a lie!
IT'S A LIE!!!!!!!!
I refuse to believe it.
(Korean logic -- one half of an actual conversation about Mad Kow Disease.) |
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Gatsby
Joined: 09 Feb 2007
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| Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 7:31 pm Post subject: |
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OK, listen up, gang!
Here's the plan:
Everybody just write two words on the blackboard:
"Two cows"
That's it.
If a kid says "mad cow, mad cow" to you, just hold up two fingers and say "two cows. two cows."
If someone asks you why you have "two cows" written on the blackboard, tell them: "That's the number of American cows that have been found with mad cow disease -- two cows."
If you want to get fancy, you could also write "48 million cows." That's the number of cows in America. It is also about the number of people in Korea. Poetic, isn't it?
Don't bother arguing with them. Just hold up two fingers and shrug. If you see some mad cow protesters, just hold up two fingers as they walk by, you know, the V for victory fingers. Tell expats: Two cows, pass it on. And from now on, when a Korean says hello to me, I am going to hold up two fingers.
A Korean teacher said Korean students couldn't understand an explanation of the mad cow truth, that it was too complicated.
What do you think? |
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Justin Kimberlake
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| Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 7:59 pm Post subject: |
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| Gatsby wrote: |
OK, listen up, gang!
Here's the plan:
Everybody just write two words on the blackboard:
"Two cows"
That's it.
If a kid says "mad cow, mad cow" to you, just hold up two fingers and say "two cows. two cows."
If someone asks you why you have "two cows" written on the blackboard, tell them: "That's the number of American cows that have been found with mad cow disease -- two cows."
If you want to get fancy, you could also write "48 million cows." That's the number of cows in America. It is also about the number of people in Korea. Poetic, isn't it?
Don't bother arguing with them. Just hold up two fingers and shrug. If you see some mad cow protesters, just hold up two fingers as they walk by, you know, the V for victory fingers. Tell expats: Two cows, pass it on. And from now on, when a Korean says hello to me, I am going to hold up two fingers.
A Korean teacher said Korean students couldn't understand an explanation of the mad cow truth, that it was too complicated.
What do you think? |
edit**oops
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Jandar
Joined: 11 Jun 2008
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| Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 8:32 pm Post subject: Re: Demystifying the Mad Cow madness |
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| Gatsby wrote: |
The facts about "Mad Cow Disease" or BSE, and Creutzfeldt-Jakob Disease or CJD, and the newer form, variant Creutzfeldt-Jakob Disease, or vCJD, are readily available through the internet if you know how to search for them.
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(I hope there are no mistakes or typos in this posting. I apologize if there are. Please point out any factual errors or typos. But I wanted to get this posted today. I am sick of remaining silent.) |
Great article thank you for posting.
It should be mentioned that the 2 cows of US origin found with BSE were categorized a being a spontaneous occurrence not related to contaminated feed, or from stock previously contaminated.
The spontaneous form of BSE is well documented as to the distinguishing features. This is not a unique phenomenon case are documented in Europe as well, and I am sure they will be found in other countries were testing takes place.
Also of note for the listening public is to read up on TSE and scrappie and to not allow the rumor mongers to confuse you by adding those diseases into the mix.
Remember the rumor mongers will try to associate BSE with CJD and Alzheimers.
I don't know how BSE relates to horny-ness though that one really throws me. |
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Kiarell
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| Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 8:42 pm Post subject: |
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well if the USDA says then it must be true!
It's not like US reg. agencies EVER lie (cough EPA denies global warming cough). It's not like the US reg agencies said OK to Monsanto's growth hormone and drugged up milk in public schools. And of course, mega-conglomerate American media always tells the truth., because they're white and rational of course.
Ignoramuses. The Korean media lies, yes, but so does American media. USA television media, for example, is owned by only 5 corporations. GE's NBC lied in the Iraq War leadup, Fox is dominated by Murdoch, etc. etc.
I guess Koreans should liuve up to your racist expectations of docile and submissive people. did any of you consider for once that they might be right? No, it's just cherry-picking and "fact mining" for arguments that support your side.
So thank you for demystifying this. |
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JustJohn
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| Never thought I'd see the day when I saw someone slandered for "fact mining." Look at this idiot, he RESEARCHED the situation. Omg. |
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Kiarell
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| Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 9:59 pm Post subject: |
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Fact mining:
Looking for tidbits that support one's view
Research:
Looking at information on a topic to test a hypothesis.
Deductive reasoning:
Looking at various available facts and then arriving at an appropriate conclusion.
EVERY SOURCE WAS ".gov" the same ".gov" that censures old videos of Bush saying "mission accomplished." Yes, let's trust a right-wing government concerned with profits and war and keeping the countries of Japan, Korea, Iraq, Colombia, and others relegated to "my bitch" status. |
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Jandar
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| Kiarell wrote: |
Fact mining:
Looking for tidbits that support one's view
Research:
Looking at information on a topic to test a hypothesis.
Deductive reasoning:
Looking at various available facts and then arriving at an appropriate conclusion.
EVERY SOURCE WAS ".gov" the same ".gov" that censures old videos of Bush saying "mission accomplished." Yes, let's trust a right-wing government concerned with profits and war and keeping the countries of Japan, Korea, Iraq, Colombia, and others relegated to "my bitch" status. |
You want a fact.
KOREA DOES NOT TEST DOWNER CATTLE FOR BSE.
See if you can mine this fact.
What is the cut off age for cattle slaughtered for beef in Korea?
DOWNER CATTLE IS A NEW CONCEPT IN THE KOREAN CATTLE INDUSTRY
Go mine some facts for yourself.
Start here:
http://www.oie.int/eng/en_index.htm |
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nateium
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| Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 11:40 pm Post subject: |
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| Kiarell wrote: |
well if the USDA says then it must be true!
It's not like US reg. agencies EVER lie (cough EPA denies global warming cough). It's not like the US reg agencies said OK to Monsanto's growth hormone and drugged up milk in public schools. And of course, mega-conglomerate American media always tells the truth., because they're white and rational of course.
Ignoramuses. The Korean media lies, yes, but so does American media. USA television media, for example, is owned by only 5 corporations. GE's NBC lied in the Iraq War leadup, Fox is dominated by Murdoch, etc. etc.
I guess Koreans should liuve up to your racist expectations of docile and submissive people. did any of you consider for once that they might be right? No, it's just cherry-picking and "fact mining" for arguments that support your side.
So thank you for demystifying this. |
So where is the evidence for your side? Links please. |
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nateium
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I just want to know where I can buy an armfull of American steaks two weeks from now when the imports finally begin. And, I want to know who has a great place for a cookout?  |
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Gatsby
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Jandr wrote:
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It should be mentioned that the 2 cows of US origin found with BSE were categorized a being a spontaneous occurrence not related to contaminated feed, or from stock previously contaminated.
The spontaneous form of BSE is well documented as to the distinguishing features. This is not a unique phenomenon case are documented in Europe as well, and I am sure they will be found in other countries were testing takes place.
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That's very interesting. Can you provide sources for this? I would like to read more.
I had wondered whether there might be a spontaneous form of BSE, given that CJD is 85 percent spontaneous. And since it is possible to distinguish CJD from the apparently non-spontaneous vCJD, it is reasonable that it would be possible to distinguish spontaneous and transmitted BSE.
If I understand the etiology, the outbreak of BSE in Britain appears to have been caused by feed made from diseased sheep. Does anyone know if that is right? If that is so, the original form of BSE might be different from BSE due to other causes, including spontaneous.
Remember, CJD occurs at the same rate around the world: 1 per 1 million people. If there were an external cause, the rate would vary be region, depending upon how common the causal agent was. But when the rate is the same everywhere, and there is no known external cause, this is good evidence the cause is internal, and probably just a spontaneous defect. This happens with some other rare brain diseases.
If BSE occurs at something like the same rate as CJD, 1 per million, you are never going to get BSE down to zero, at least not if you actually do testing. However, CJD only occurs in senior citizens. I presume that most cattle are not raised to old age before slaughter, so the risk there would be insignificant. But I guess some older cows get thrown into the mix, such as worn out dairy cows. I presume these are not the cows that are turned into steaks. Some beef is used for stuff like hot dogs, or even dog food. Is this relevant to Korea's concerns? But this 30 month rule is ludicrous, with no scientific justification that I can think of, and presumably pulled out of a hat just to increase the cost of American beef.
OK, that's the technical side of the argument. The other side consists of a very simple reality check: As anyone who lives in the U.S., or even Canada, knows, there is no mad cow disease outbreak, no concern among the public over mad cow disease, and no truth to ANY of the other bizarre claims being made in Korea.
You can talk all you want about conspiracy theories, but first you need 1) evidence there is a problem, and 2) a reasonable explanation for what caused the problem. There simply is no evidence for any mad cow problem in the U.S., and there is no known way there could be a problem, given that the U.S. banned feed using animal body parts in 1997, before any BSE was even found in the U.S., but after the outbreak in Great Britain had shown this was probably part or all of the problem.
It is easy to make ridiculous claims if you don't bother to read anybody else's posts, or to look at the facts. And sooner or later someone will probably attack this post without bothering to read it.
To say that there is any conspiracy to cover up disease-causing food in the U.S. is absurd. Every American who follows the news at all has seen countless food recalls, including some that have put large, old businesses into bankruptcy. Heck, you don't even have to be an American to read about them, the latest being the attack of the killer tomatoes, so to speak. The U.S. government is transparent in this regard, and investigates every reported problem thoroughly.
Yet Korean Kow Konspiracy nuts think it is possible, a point I made in an earlier post.
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It is a vast conspiracy perpetrated with the full knowledge and cooperation of the CIA, NSA, CDC, NIH, FDA, USDA, WHO, UN, and every county Cooperative Extension Agent in the United States. Even though they can see the kows and people dying in front of their eyes, they have united with one goal: to deceive the Korean public. |
Here is the Cooperative Extension Service site:
http://www.csrees.usda.gov/Extension/
There are hundreds of offices, probably thousands.
Government in the United States does not consist of one monolithic entity. There are the executive, legislative and judicial branches of the federal government, and countless federal government agencies, many with competing interests. There are 50 states, each with their own agencies. There are county governments and city governments. There are universities, and newspapers, and television stations and radio stations, and websites and bloggers. There are also non-profit watchdog groups.
For a start, you would have to draft all the county coroners into the Konspiracy in order to falsify death certificates. And you would have shut up (through intimidation? bribes?) all the professors of medicine at medical schools and universities in the U.S. and around the world to lie about research on the subject.
On top of that, there are international agencies, including the World Health Organization.
Guess what?
ONLY KOREA BELIEVES THERE IS A MAD COW PROBLEM IN THE U.S.
I would simply ignore or feel pity for anyone who was so paranoid as to believe such a conspiracy possible, except that in Korea they are found among school teachers, students, teacher's union ranks and government officials. And even the university professors, who should know better, seem to be keeping silent. If there is any conspiracy, it is within Korea - a conspiracy of silence. So, perhaps that explains why Koreans could imagine such a conspiracy happening elsewhere: Koreans regularly conspire among themselves to twist the truth.
What happens when you try to reason with a paranoid person who believes reality is some vast conspiracy all coordinated to poison him (or their country)? Facts don't work. They simply respond: "It's a lie. Lies, lies, lies, lies, lies. I refuse to believe it." And that's the only answer a Korean has when you present him or her with the facts.
Sorry, Korea. The only ones lying are Koreans.
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ps.
One more thing. In my original post, I focused on providing sources for scientific information on disease and health issues in the United States, including PubMed, a database of medical journal articles:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez/
This was to allow readers to look at the facts, themselves.
I have never heard anyone accuse PubMed of being biased or part of a conspiracy. The site is, however, blocked from the Korean public school computers, as are some other sites with U.S. government information about mad cow disease.
Kiarell, did you bother to open even one of the links I posted? |
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