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earthbound14
Joined: 23 Jan 2007
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 Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 2:31 am Post subject: Daelim Roadwin R 250 |
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Just thought I'd post this. Seems to be a good sign. Daelim seems to be ready to introduce a 250 cc single cylinder bike. No mention if the fuel injection from the 125 model are being used.
http://www.dmc.co.kr/eng/pdf/lineup.pdf
Also just for fun,
Hyosung has introduced fuel injection on their bikes...although not available in Korea.
Comet 250 EFI (UK), a little more HP and a lot more efficient
http://www.hyosung.co.uk/detail.php?id=21
and a few cool new models
450cc motard
650cc naked
a glimmer of light in an otherwise overly protected and restricted market!!! |
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GoldMember
Joined: 24 Oct 2006
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| Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 7:21 am Post subject: |
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The Hyosung bikes have improved a lot.
The previous brakes were crap, the Motard is better with Brembos
Carbies have been swapped with EFI
Tyres on some models are crap (Shinko) some models use Pirelli
The bikes are still weak in three areas:
1. Suspension
2. Frame Technology (Japs, Italians and Germans have superior metallurgy)
3. Quality of finish (paint/chrome and plastics)
Give the guys a few more years and they'll have some good bikes. |
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Cheonmunka
Joined: 04 Jun 2004
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| Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 12:53 pm Post subject: |
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| How much is like a 600cc Honda here? Something that makes a nice chompy growl and you can hear each individual piston. boom boom boom boom boom boom. |
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Temporary
Joined: 13 Jan 2008
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| Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 2:34 pm Post subject: |
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Hyosungs are garbage.. I know I drive one.
In Canada they are about the same price as 400 honda.. But I would even dream of buying the 600cc hyosung.. Why? Cause they are shit compared to the SUPERIOR Japanese bike. |
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Pyongshin Sangja
Joined: 20 Apr 2003
Location: I love baby!
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| Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 4:20 pm Post subject: |
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Wow. Very constructive criticism, Temporary.
Thanks for the pics. |
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earthbound14
Joined: 23 Jan 2007
Location: seoul
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| Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 7:11 pm Post subject: |
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| Temporary wrote: |
Hyosungs are garbage.. I know I drive one.
In Canada they are about the same price as 400 honda.. But I would even dream of buying the 600cc hyosung.. Why? Cause they are shit compared to the SUPERIOR Japanese bike. |
Ya, I've heard lots of bad things from the 650 Hyosung riders, especially the first few years the bike was built and especially by riders in Canada and the US. They are cheaper bikes but from what I've heard, given the lack of repair shops, warranty service, price of replacement parts, poor customer service and over all weak motorcycles they were definately not worth the money you saved.
I've heard of engines blowing after 10,000 KMs. Not a real good start for their 650's and not a good way to introduce your product to the west.
Tthey really need to stop being so protectionist in Korea. Koreans have no idea how bad they have it here....their own companies treat them like crap compared to the rest of the world simply because they can get away with it. Companies like Hyosung learn harsh lessons when they move into a "real" market that actually has some understanding of quality.
But they seem to have learned from their arrogance. Hyosung now offers a 2 year warranty, offers EFI on all models in the UK, and has significanlty upgraded the parts they use on their bikes. Their engines seem poised to be pretty damn tough....not sure if the big bikes have become as tough as the little 250 engine.
Anyway, the 250's, despite some poor quality finish, poor parts (starters, locks.....) seem to have really rock solid engines. They are fast and peppy for little bikes and when measured beside Japanese equivalants are often a better deal for the money...(this could be argued). The new 250R is by far one of the nicest looking bikes in its class (although I love the Honda VTR250 much more and would buy it in an instant if it wasn't so over priced here).
These new bikes show some promise....
I'm most excited about the Daelim 250. I like Daelim and Koreans like Daelim. They learned a lot from Honda when they were the parent company and they really test their products on the track, not to mention the number of riders on Daelim bikes rather than Hyosung bikes. this little 250 might potentially hack into Hyosung's market and provide the world with a really first class entry level / commuter / fun / cheap bike. |
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earthbound14
Joined: 23 Jan 2007
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| Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 7:12 pm Post subject: |
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| Cheonmunka wrote: |
| How much is like a 600cc Honda here? Something that makes a nice chompy growl and you can hear each individual piston. boom boom boom boom boom boom. |
10 to 12 mil new |
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earthbound14
Joined: 23 Jan 2007
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| Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 7:18 pm Post subject: |
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| GoldMember wrote: |
The Hyosung bikes have improved a lot.
The previous brakes were crap, the Motard is better with Brembos
Carbies have been swapped with EFI
Tyres on some models are crap (Shinko) some models use Pirelli
The bikes are still weak in three areas:
1. Suspension
2. Frame Technology (Japs, Italians and Germans have superior metallurgy)
3. Quality of finish (paint/chrome and plastics)
Give the guys a few more years and they'll have some good bikes. |
I was reading that the new 650 GTR (naked) has really improved the frame....
Hey!!! I like Shinko tires!!!!!! They are what they are, long lasting tires that can hack a few twisties. If you're not dragging your knees, these tires are great for urban traffic with the occasional rip down twisty roads.....just keep in mind that you aren't riding Pilot Powers!!! I get at least 10,000 KM out of a pair and it costs less than 200 for a new set......
.....will be interesting to see how well they do in a few years...... |
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Pyongshin Sangja
Joined: 20 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 10:37 am Post subject: |
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| 450 motard. Ah, to be young again. |
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Hyeon Een
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| Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 10:40 am Post subject: Re: Daelim Roadwin R 250 |
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| earthbound14 wrote: |
650cc naked
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I bet that little thing flies.. |
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captain kirk
Joined: 29 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 2:22 pm Post subject: |
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I like Shinko tires too. I put Shinko 'trailmasters' on my Honda xr650L. Which is a dual sport favouring the dirt.
There are a couple of Hyosung 650GT over at the bike shop which is a magnet for motorbike race drivers (they went to race at Taebaek track June 22). I think they like them because they are KOREAN. There's some machismo to be connected with national pride. Made in Korea.
I had a Hyosung RX125 and other Korean bikes and they had annoying little part breakdowns.
The 450 motard bike that's new for Hyosung looks good but does it have the same 'slapped together but will fall apart' qualities? I wouldn't buy a brand new bike, anyway. Prefer them broken in and cheaper that way. |
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john
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| Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 3:25 pm Post subject: Roadwin 125 |
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| When will the 2009 Roadwin 125 be available in Korea? |
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earthbound14
Joined: 23 Jan 2007
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| Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 6:28 pm Post subject: Re: Roadwin 125 |
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| john wrote: |
| When will the 2009 Roadwin 125 be available in Korea? |
Korean media/companies are not too good about hyping their products. Their web sites are pretty pityful...and I wonder how exactly they think they are going to spread beyond the borders of this protected little rock and compete with all the companies of the world who actually take the time to express themselves legibly. Korean motorcycles are virtually invisible internationaly (although Hyo is making a bit of a run at fame/infamy) and insist in trying to promote their products using Konglish and poor English. And like too many companies in Korea they think you should buy just it because it's Korean and expensive. So you'll have to wait until you see one in a shop and hope that the guy is being honest with you. |
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earthbound14
Joined: 23 Jan 2007
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| Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 6:44 pm Post subject: |
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| captain kirk wrote: |
I like Shinko tires too. I put Shinko 'trailmasters' on my Honda xr650L. Which is a dual sport favouring the dirt.
There are a couple of Hyosung 650GT over at the bike shop which is a magnet for motorbike race drivers (they went to race at Taebaek track June 22). I think they like them because they are KOREAN. There's some machismo to be connected with national pride. Made in Korea.
I had a Hyosung RX125 and other Korean bikes and they had annoying little part breakdowns.
The 450 motard bike that's new for Hyosung looks good but does it have the same 'slapped together but will fall apart' qualities? I wouldn't buy a brand new bike, anyway. Prefer them broken in and cheaper that way. |
cool bike!!! Didn' get the Translap hun?
I get a mixed message from Koreans about their bikes....a lot of them hate Hyosung and think that Hyosung doesn't care about Korean riders and they are pretty quick to crap on the quality of any Korean made bike even though they chant "Dea Han Min Gu" and plaster images of Korean bikes all over their shops.....I think they resent having crappy bikes and their is a certain prestige to owning either a Harley or a Honda, but would really wish to be riding a kick ass Korean bike.....A few seem to think the Hyosung 650s are the bike to drag Korea out of the primordial ooz of scooters and commuters.
Who knows if the new bikes are less slapped together than the old bikes. They tend to rush both the design process and the build process....then work out the bugs once th product has hit the market....they rush, kinda like French engineers. The new bikes look good and have some good parts like Brembro calipers, but this could just be a superficial tactic that covers up a lack of refinement. They look good and just maybe in a few years they will see the benefit to making better bikes.
Again, I trust Daelim far more than Hyosung, they test their products and take time developing their bikes...perhaps too much time. |
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Temporary
Joined: 13 Jan 2008
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| Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2008 12:41 am Post subject: |
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Daelim is better then Hyosung because they still use the Honda design.. Daelim and Honda use to be partners.
I believe Hyosung was with Kawisaki (this is why Hyosung break design was so similar to Kawisaki's.
Sure the Hyosung engine maybe good.. In my opionion its pretty good. Unfortunatley 90% of the bike that lacks in quality. The transmission is the #1 peeve.. What a piece of shit.. Seriously I have operated tractors with a smoother operating transmission.
On my Hyosung comet 2003.. I have replaced the Regulator, Master Cylinder part of the frame because it cracked. Its rusty as shit and paint peels.. Its not high quality. Given a choice and a price difference of 1.5k I would still buy a Japanese bike in Canada.. |
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