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Do you recommend teaching in the GWD EPIK program?
I highly recommend it - It's the best!
14%
 14%  [ 3 ]
I recommend it - A really good job.
33%
 33%  [ 7 ]
It's a good job as far as teaching in Korea or in the public school sector.
9%
 9%  [ 2 ]
I don't recommend it, more frustration than fulfillment.
19%
 19%  [ 4 ]
It was a nightmare!
23%
 23%  [ 5 ]
Total Votes : 21

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Miguel12



Joined: 03 Nov 2007
Location: Louisiana, USA

PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2007 7:28 am    Post subject: Gangwon-do EPIK Reply with quote

Hi everyone...

I am contemplating taking a position in Gangwon-do teaching public schools through the EPIK program. I am curious about anyone that has worked there through EPIK...What has your experience been like? Do you recommend it? For those of you working in the really rural areas, how do you get to your school(s)? I have heard an American named Alex is coordinating all the ESL teachers in GWD...Does he do a good job? Also, there is a clause in the GWD EPIK contract about hours/overtime that worries me:

③ Actual class instruction hours of Employee shall not exceed twenty-two(22) hours per week. If, however, Employee's actual weekly class instruction hours exceed twenty-two(22) hours due to supplementary class instruction, Employee shall be entitled to a supplementary class instruction pay at (20,000won/hour).
④ Employer may require Employee to work overtime in addition to actual class instruction aside from normal Work Days and Work Hours. In this case, overtime pay will be provided at (6,000won/hour). This is limited to all overtime work not considered to be instruction hours.

Has anyone had a problem with the Principals or any EPIK/public school officials exploiting this clause to have you work 60 hrs/week for 6k won/hr...this is my nightmare scenario.

Any and all thoughts/comments are much appreciated, thanks!!
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pest2



Joined: 01 Jun 2005
Location: Vancouver, Canada

PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2007 11:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey, just finished a year there.

No, never had the Principals at any of my schools exploit me. I rarely ever even worked 22 hours... usually it was more like 19 or so. However, most people get right around their contracted amount.

Yes, the "coordinator" you speak of is there, but he doesnt do much coordinating as far as I can tell. Just in case there's a like a huge issue like not getting paid or a fight with a coteacher, he and 1 or 2 others in the province are supposed to be your interlocutors.

GWD was great. Only things Id worry about would be 1) how will you get to work? Many of the work locations are quite far from the apartments they set you up in and with no public transit... and in my case, they had done absolutely nothing to figure out how Id get to work so I had either buy a car or quit. 2) Quite a few of the apartments they are putting people in are absolutely terrible. Issues like no heat, limited hot water, no bathroom sink, no working washer and dryer.

for 1, do not sign the contract until you have a detailed explanation of how you can get to work.

for 2, do not sign the contract until you have seen photos of your apartment and you are sure it has all the amenities.

Good luck.
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lowpo



Joined: 01 Mar 2007

PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2007 3:44 pm    Post subject: Re: Gangwon-do EPIK Reply with quote

Miguel12 wrote:
Hi everyone...

I am contemplating taking a position in Gangwon-do teaching public schools through the EPIK program. I am curious about anyone that has worked there through EPIK...What has your experience been like? Do you recommend it? For those of you working in the really rural areas, how do you get to your school(s)? I have heard an American named Alex is coordinating all the ESL teachers in GWD...Does he do a good job? Also, there is a clause in the GWD EPIK contract about hours/overtime that worries me:

③ Actual class instruction hours of Employee shall not exceed twenty-two(22) hours per week. If, however, Employee's actual weekly class instruction hours exceed twenty-two(22) hours due to supplementary class instruction, Employee shall be entitled to a supplementary class instruction pay at (20,000won/hour).
④ Employer may require Employee to work overtime in addition to actual class instruction aside from normal Work Days and Work Hours. In this case, overtime pay will be provided at (6,000won/hour). This is limited to all overtime work not considered to be instruction hours.

Has anyone had a problem with the Principals or any EPIK/public school officials exploiting this clause to have you work 60 hrs/week for 6k won/hr...this is my nightmare scenario.

Any and all thoughts/comments are much appreciated, thanks!!


I have had the opposite experence working in Gangwon-do. With me it has been a great experence working in a rural area.
I have two of my school that are 15km from town and I take a bus. At one of my schools I take a bus to school and one of the Korean teachers takes me home. When we go out for dinner or drinking after work, one of the Korean teachers will take me home.
So of the teachers don't come lose to working the 22 hours a week. But the school will have you do some after school program from 3:10 to 5:00 and they will pay you 20,000 won an hour.
Any classes over 22 hours is at 20,000 won an hour.
I have some questions about the contract and Alex has been able to help me with them. But with other problems you have a cordinator in you are that should help you with any problems.
Again i will say that my experence has been good in Gangwon-do.
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Miguel12



Joined: 03 Nov 2007
Location: Louisiana, USA

PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2007 9:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks to those who have replied so far. In the voting results, several people have voted that teaching in GWD EPIK was a nightmare...could you guys please explain why?!? Is it just because you had a not-up-to-western-standards apartment? Or maybe because you and the principal didnt get along? Please explain, thanks!!
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marlow



Joined: 06 Feb 2005

PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2007 10:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

20,000 per extra class is shit pay. Privates pay 50,000.
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Miguel12



Joined: 03 Nov 2007
Location: Louisiana, USA

PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2007 10:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, I'm not going to teach in Korea to make a ton a money, if I wanted to be rich I would enter a more lucrative profession. I want a chance to live in another country, experience another "authentic" culture, possibly learn another language, and impart knowledge through teaching as a way of honoring all those who have taught me over the years.
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Miguel12



Joined: 03 Nov 2007
Location: Louisiana, USA

PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2007 10:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm still somewhat of a socialist at heart, so I would rather take my 2.1M won and spend my time teaching those who cant afford to pay for privates.
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marlow



Joined: 06 Feb 2005

PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2007 10:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Miguel12 wrote:
Well, I'm not going to teach in Korea to make a ton a money, if I wanted to be rich I would enter a more lucrative profession. I want a chance to live in another country, experience another "authentic" culture, possibly learn another language, and impart knowledge through teaching as a way of honoring all those who have taught me over the years.


Good luck. But, just to let you know, in Korea you can do all your positive things and still make money. Don't undersell yourself. It's either their money or yours.
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marlow



Joined: 06 Feb 2005

PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2007 11:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Miguel12 wrote:
I'm still somewhat of a socialist at heart, so I would rather take my 2.1M won and spend my time teaching those who cant afford to pay for privates.


Volunteering outside your school is illegal.

If you had a free class in school it would be overrun. So the school charges a small fee, maybe 2000 won per student per class. You have twenty kids in your class, that's 40,000 won. The school keeps half. It's spent on nicer chairs and laptops for the Korean teachers. Great! I'd rather keep the full forty. Put energy into your class and you still make a difference, but you don't shaft yourself at the same time.
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lowpo



Joined: 01 Mar 2007

PostPosted: Mon Nov 05, 2007 6:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Miguel12 wrote:
Thanks to those who have replied so far. In the voting results, several people have voted that teaching in GWD EPIK was a nightmare...could you guys please explain why?!? Is it just because you had a not-up-to-western-standards apartment? Or maybe because you and the principal didnt get along? Please explain, thanks!!


I have seen far more people have good experence in GWD than bad ones. I have seen teachers who had a bad experence the first year then turn around sign a second contract.
The good or bad experence will be up to you. You can have a very bad experence working gor a hagwan in Seoul, as you can in GWD.
One of the god points in working at a public school compaired to a hogwan is working less hours and more free time.
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boyne11



Joined: 08 Jul 2007

PostPosted: Mon Nov 05, 2007 8:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

lowpo wrote:
Miguel12 wrote:
Thanks to those who have replied so far. In the voting results, several people have voted that teaching in GWD EPIK was a nightmare...could you guys please explain why?!? Is it just because you had a not-up-to-western-standards apartment? Or maybe because you and the principal didnt get along? Please explain, thanks!!



The good or bad experence will be up to you. You can have a very bad experence working gor a hagwan in Seoul, as you can in GWD.
One of the god points in working at a public school compaired to a hogwan is working less hours and more free time.


Having a good or bad experience is not only up to the individual but it's largely up to the school(s) you work for. If you have buncha nasty koreans working with you, then it would definitely suck.

And as for the working less hours, it can go either way. In public schools, you must be there typically 9-5 whether you have classes or not, but you only teach 3 or 4 classes a day. Thus, a better statement would be, "In public schools, you teach less classes but have less free time away from your school."
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cbclark4



Joined: 20 Aug 2006
Location: Masan

PostPosted: Mon Nov 05, 2007 8:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Miguel12 wrote:
Thanks to those who have replied so far. In the voting results, several people have voted that teaching in GWD EPIK was a nightmare...could you guys please explain why?!? Is it just because you had a not-up-to-western-standards apartment? Or maybe because you and the principal didnt get along? Please explain, thanks!!


If they haven't written they are probably Hogwan trolls.

The polls are useless.

Unless you get commentary.

I teach under EPIK in a different province, great program for a first timer.
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Miguel12



Joined: 03 Nov 2007
Location: Louisiana, USA

PostPosted: Mon Nov 05, 2007 10:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Great posts so far, keep them coming! I have decided to go ahead and apply for the GWD EPIK position, so wish me luck!


Quote:
If they haven't written they are probably Hogwan trolls.

The polls are useless.

Unless you get commentary.

I teach under EPIK in a different province, great program for a first timer.


Just curious, what province do you work in?


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Having a good or bad experience is not only up to the individual but it's largely up to the school(s) you work for. If you have buncha nasty koreans working with you, then it would definitely suck.

And as for the working less hours, it can go either way. In public schools, you must be there typically 9-5 whether you have classes or not, but you only teach 3 or 4 classes a day. Thus, a better statement would be, "In public schools, you teach less classes but have less free time away from your school."


It seems that you can get a good position in hagwons, public schools, unis, businesses, etc, and you can also get a nightmare position in the same places. Sometimes you just have to spin the wheel and hope for the best. I will try to do a good job and make the best, and hopefully the koreans in the school I work in will reciprocate.

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Volunteering outside your school is illegal.


Is this really true?!?
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Miguel12



Joined: 03 Nov 2007
Location: Louisiana, USA

PostPosted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 2:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Anyone else applying to teach in the high schools starting this December?
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Rae



Joined: 10 Oct 2007

PostPosted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 3:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was originally offered a position in Gangwon this December but I declined because it's too soon (I wanted to leave in early 0Cool and I'm a wimp when it comes to extreme cold. I hear that province gets pretty cold during winter. Other than that, I didn't come across any negatives and I researched about the area extensively.

I'm looking for a public school position this spring, perhaps somewhere closer to the southern areas of SK.
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