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kentucker4
Joined: 03 Sep 2007
Location: Georgia
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 Posted: Tue May 27, 2008 6:14 am Post subject: How to deal with a middle school student who refuses to |
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| I have this 15-year-old girl in one of my classes who is really giving me a headache lately. Last Friday, she refused to spit out her gum and after ten times of me telling her to I yelled at her to get out. That didn't work of course, so I sent to get my boss who is VERY strict during his lasses. He just talked to her and told me to not worry about it and let her chew gum and use her cell phone because normally she is a nice girl. So come today, and the little brat puts on her book bag with ten minutes left in class. I tell her to take it off because we are still in the middle of class. She refused and I deducted ten points from her next test, but she still got her way. I am thinking maybe I should just treat her like she doesn't exist in the future. I can already picture her refusing to take my test this Thursday. When she does, I am just going to 'rip it in half and tell her good decision. |
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plus99
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| Posted: Tue May 27, 2008 10:55 am Post subject: |
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| is that a thundercats picture? |
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spliff
Joined: 19 Jan 2004
Location: Khon Kaen, Thailand
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| Posted: Tue May 27, 2008 2:34 pm Post subject: |
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| Funny, a 15 yr old girl dissed you. She obliviously doesn't respect you.The fact that the class didn't discipline her says that they probably don't respect you as well. |
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Dome Vans
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| Posted: Tue May 27, 2008 2:42 pm Post subject: |
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| spliff wrote: |
| She obliviously doesn't respect you.The fact that the class didn't discipline her says that they probably don't respect you as well. |
Whhhaaa! You're kidding me......Kentucker4?.......with discipline problems?........getting knocked about by his kids?...........them not listening to him?......are we talking about the same guy here?......a person who if a UFO landed on the Earth desperately looking for a human to probe to avoid extinction, would probably just take one look at him and say in some alien language "Naaahhh! We're not that desperate!" |
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kentucker4
Joined: 03 Sep 2007
Location: Georgia
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| Posted: Tue May 27, 2008 3:08 pm Post subject: |
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| spliff wrote: |
| Funny, a 15 yr old girl dissed you. She obliviously doesn't respect you.The fact that the class didn't discipline her says that they probably don't respect you as well. |
No, no. One of the students tried to take bag off of her and another one told her stuff in Korean but she grimaced and put her book bag back on. Another foreigner at another school in our chain who's been doing this for six years told me to just ignore the student and act like she doesn't exist as he encounters these types frequently. |
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kentucker4
Joined: 03 Sep 2007
Location: Georgia
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| Posted: Tue May 27, 2008 3:13 pm Post subject: |
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| Dome Vans wrote: |
| spliff wrote: |
| She obliviously doesn't respect you.The fact that the class didn't discipline her says that they probably don't respect you as well. |
Whhhaaa! You're kidding me......Kentucker4?.......with discipline problems?........getting knocked about by his kids?...........them not listening to him?......are we talking about the same guy here?......a person who if a UFO landed on the Earth desperately looking for a human to probe to avoid extinction, would probably just take one look at him and say in some alien language "Naaahhh! We're not that desperate!" |
I didn't see a fucking UFO land you moron. My entire family saw one outside an upstairs bathroom window. Show me where I said it landed. You stupid *beep*. I was in middle school when that happened. You think a family of seven people would all make something up or not know what they saw? I can't stand dumb asses like you. How does me teaching kids in SK even relate to something strange that I saw when I was in middle school. Grow a brain. |
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Yu_Bum_suk
Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Tue May 27, 2008 3:20 pm Post subject: |
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Either go the politically incorrect route or go somewhere where you get support from the Korean staff. Or perhaps look at teaching adults.
You may also want to consider what is and isn't important to make a class work. Is chewing gum really such a hindrence to her or a distraction to others? On the other hand, free access to handphones is a sure way to garuntee that students will be frequently distracted. You may want to consider what are important rules to enforce (like no handphones, period) and then enforce them draconianly. The last 15-year-old girl who tried to defy me ended up in tears and her cell phone ended up in her homeroom teacher's desk for several weeks. That was one of the first weeks of the year and I haven't seen a single phone in her class since.
BTW, when your boss says she's 'a nice girl' he probably means that he thinks the cheques her parents write are nice. |
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kentucker4
Joined: 03 Sep 2007
Location: Georgia
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| Posted: Tue May 27, 2008 3:38 pm Post subject: |
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| Yu_Bum_suk wrote: |
Either go the politically incorrect route or go somewhere where you get support from the Korean staff. Or perhaps look at teaching adults.
You may also want to consider what is and isn't important to make a class work. Is chewing gum really such a hindrence to her or a distraction to others? On the other hand, free access to handphones is a sure way to garuntee that students will be frequently distracted. You may want to consider what are important rules to enforce (like no handphones, period) and then enforce them draconianly. The last 15-year-old girl who tried to defy me ended up in tears and her cell phone ended up in her homeroom teacher's desk for several weeks. That was one of the first weeks of the year and I haven't seen a single phone in her class since.
BTW, when your boss says she's 'a nice girl' he probably means that he thinks the cheques her parents write are nice. |
My bosses tell me to not let them chew gum and that all students know not to chew gum. I see it as a direct line of disrespect when a student is chewing gum. When I first worked here, I didn't even care. So now I am just following my bosses orders. They offer no freaking support, though.
I am going to use peer pressure on this girl. Her English name is Erin. I'm going to make a rule called the Erin rule and put it on the board. Then I'm going to say when Erin makes any kind of mistake...chewing gum...taking out her cell phone out...just any little thing and entire class has to stay five minutes later. |
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poet13
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
Location: Just over there....throwing lemons.
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| Posted: Tue May 27, 2008 3:41 pm Post subject: |
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| Cell phones are eeeeaaassssyyy. I am a legend at my school. My first year, I caught a boy texting during class. I kept it for the class, and wrote him in my book with the warning that if I saw it again, I would call my mother in Canada. The very next class he was texting again. I called my mother. Woke he up too. The whole class said, "Hello XXX teachers mother!". I apologized to my mother for waking her and hung up. Well, I thought I hung up. Most of the class didnt' think I had called. A few weeks later the boy came back to me and showed me a phone bill for 30 something thousand won. He was very unhappy. I was really embarassed but I didn't let on. I just said, "Next time, don't...". |
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it's full of stars
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| Posted: Tue May 27, 2008 3:56 pm Post subject: |
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| Kentucker, what was your whole family doing in the toilet? |
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Hank the Iconoclast
Joined: 08 Oct 2007
Location: Busan
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| Posted: Tue May 27, 2008 4:11 pm Post subject: |
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| Cell phones are eeeeaaassssyyy. I am a legend at my school. My first year, I caught a boy texting during class. I kept it for the class, and wrote him in my book with the warning that if I saw it again, I would call my mother in Canada. The very next class he was texting again. I called my mother. Woke he up too. The whole class said, "Hello XXX teachers mother!". I apologized to my mother for waking her and hung up. Well, I thought I hung up. Most of the class didnt' think I had called. A few weeks later the boy came back to me and showed me a phone bill for 30 something thousand won. He was very unhappy. I was really embarassed but I didn't let on. I just said, "Next time, don't...". |
That's a great plan. Unfortunately, I rarely see cell phones since the home room teachers collect them.  I get so many wicked ideas from Dave's . heh |
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Yu_Bum_suk
Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Tue May 27, 2008 4:12 pm Post subject: |
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Either go the politically incorrect route or go somewhere where you get support from the Korean staff. Or perhaps look at teaching adults.
You may also want to consider what is and isn't important to make a class work. Is chewing gum really such a hindrence to her or a distraction to others? On the other hand, free access to handphones is a sure way to garuntee that students will be frequently distracted. You may want to consider what are important rules to enforce (like no handphones, period) and then enforce them draconianly. The last 15-year-old girl who tried to defy me ended up in tears and her cell phone ended up in her homeroom teacher's desk for several weeks. That was one of the first weeks of the year and I haven't seen a single phone in her class since.
BTW, when your boss says she's 'a nice girl' he probably means that he thinks the cheques her parents write are nice. |
My bosses tell me to not let them chew gum and that all students know not to chew gum. I see it as a direct line of disrespect when a student is chewing gum. When I first worked here, I didn't even care. So now I am just following my bosses orders. They offer no freaking support, though.
I am going to use peer pressure on this girl. Her English name is Erin. I'm going to make a rule called the Erin rule and put it on the board. Then I'm going to say when Erin makes any kind of mistake...chewing gum...taking out her cell phone out...just any little thing and entire class has to stay five minutes later. |
It sounds like you hate her. That's not a good starting point and it's not a good idea to single one student out like that.
Re: rules, there are ones that are worth enforcing and ones that, from my perspective, often aren't. For instance, my students aren't supposed to wear earrings or nail polish. I sometimes see them. I don't see how they impeed learning English and just pretend I don't notice; and it would be a pointless waste of time to bother enforcing this rule. The only time I ever did was before a demonstration lesson when we had visitors coming. Another rule at my school is that students aren't allowed to play with playing cards. I once came into a classroom to find four students playing with them and told them to put them away ASAP and if I saw them again they'd be going to their homeroom teacher. This is because that's a rather blatent breach of rules and to let it slide would show that regard for the rules doesn't exist when I'm around, even though I personally see nothing wrong with students playing cards if they're not gambling.
In your case, if your boss doesn't care about the gum rule why should you? |
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kentucker4
Joined: 03 Sep 2007
Location: Georgia
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| Posted: Tue May 27, 2008 4:17 pm Post subject: |
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| The gum rule is the main rule that my boss cares about. I used to let everyone chew gum until he would interrupt my classes frequently telling students to spit gum out. He then told me tht in Kore if a student chews gum in your lass that means the student is insulting you big time. |
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poet13
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
Location: Just over there....throwing lemons.
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| Posted: Tue May 27, 2008 4:19 pm Post subject: |
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| Yah, I don't see how a person can enunciate properly with a wad of rubber in their mouth... |
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Bibbitybop
Joined: 22 Feb 2006
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| Posted: Tue May 27, 2008 4:27 pm Post subject: |
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Yu Bum Suk has a good idea, but I'm going to go the other route.
Kentucker
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| I am going to use peer pressure on this girl. Her English name is Erin. I'm going to make a rule called the Erin rule and put it on the board. Then I'm going to say when Erin makes any kind of mistake...chewing gum...taking out her cell phone out...just any little thing and entire class has to stay five minutes later. |
This works. Make her friends, or the whole class, get punishments. What's worse? Exclude Erin. Let her sit there while the class does the "OTL" or let her leave on time while the class stays late.
I've done these things only out of necessity (when the Korean teacher won't do jack or is absent). I had middle school boys grabbing and shaking the offending boy's throat and shaking him like Homer to Bart. |
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