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Crockpot2001



Joined: 01 Jul 2007

PostPosted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 4:05 pm    Post subject: Advise on contacing a professional organization Reply with quote

This has nothing to do with ESL but you folks seem to get around pretty well. I'll try to keep this brief.

I am a Registered Dieititian. I provide medical nutrition therapy to patients with nutrition based complications both inpatient and outpatient. I moved here with my wife in late February. Since December I have tried to make e-mail contact with the Incheon chapter of the Korean Dietetic Association (KDA) which is affiliated with the American Dietetic Association. The purpose was to discuss korean processes and procedures in handling care and discuss what challenges adn solutions they have encountered. I kept my messeges simple and polite. I got no response to four e-mails. I then called the national headquarters in Seoul to try to establish contact. They, in fair English, provided me with thier e-mail address. I sent them a note with just a few questions so that they could translate and answer at their leisure. So far I received back 3 e-mails asking me to varify who I am and repeatedly asking me what I want the information for. I finally asked them directly if there was some amount of suspicion of my questions despite my providing me professional credentials.

My wife, who works extensively with Koreans, said that they are confused that someone would want information or a discussion simply for the sake of gaining knowledge or building a bond. She said she will often say "in order to do ________, we need to know ________" before asking the question. She also said that unsolicited e-mails asking medical questions may not go over well even from one professional to another.

Does it sound like I've been asking my questions with the wrong approach or might there be other issues at hand such as the topic of BSE (which I never mentioned) or that I am a male in a women-heavy field? Or is this that I am an outsider until we meet...which may not happen at this rate.

I am disappointed that my fellow professionals appear to be resistant to someone from another country.

Crockpot R.D., L.D.
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Underwaterbob



Joined: 08 Jan 2005
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 4:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Might want to check your spelling:

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There are some minor grammar issues as well. I'd suggest being a little more professional when contacting professionals. Cool
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Crockpot2001



Joined: 01 Jul 2007

PostPosted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 9:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Underwaterbob wrote:
Might want to check your spelling:

contacting
adn = and
messages
thier = their
verify

There are some minor grammar issues as well. I'd suggest being a little more professional when contacting professionals. Cool


Bob,
I am NOT here to teach English. My communications with the KDA were created in Word and well reviewed before sending. Thank you for not attempting to answer the real questions at hand.
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Underwaterbob



Joined: 08 Jan 2005
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 9:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I didn't say you were here to teach English.

My response seemed relevant to me at the time. Though you did clear it up by telling us that your correspondence was written better than your post.

I have a Korean friend who used to be a dietitian in Korea. I seem to recall she worked directly for a hospital. You could try contacting a hospital or two. You may have to go through the proper channels or something. Koreans are fans of bureaucracy. Not as bad as my home country though.
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warren pease



Joined: 12 May 2008

PostPosted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 9:11 am    Post subject: Re: Advise on contacing a professional organization Reply with quote

Crockpot2001 wrote:
The purpose was to discuss korean processes and procedures in handling care and discuss what challenges adn solutions they have encountered.


Am I alone in not understand what this means pertaining to a registered dietician. So, you're a trained western dietician? If you were a western lawyer and wanted to learn about Korean law would you contact Korean Judiciary branch (not that i have any idea if the thing actually exists)? Perhaps, you should enlist the assistance of a local practicing dietician (not that i'm sure if such a thing exists).

Actually, what the *beep* could a registered dietician do? It's a like a registered sit-up professional.
"hey buddy, you're gonna need to eat less shitty food and eat more healthy food."
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Crockpot2001



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 2:56 pm    Post subject: Re: Advise on contacing a professional organization Reply with quote

warren pease wrote:
Crockpot2001 wrote:
The purpose was to discuss korean processes and procedures in handling care and discuss what challenges adn solutions they have encountered.


Am I alone in not understand what this means pertaining to a registered dietician. So, you're a trained western dietician? If you were a western lawyer and wanted to learn about Korean law would you contact Korean Judiciary branch (not that i have any idea if the thing actually exists)? Perhaps, you should enlist the assistance of a local practicing dietician (not that i'm sure if such a thing exists).

Actually, what the *beep* could a registered dietician do? It's a like a registered sit-up professional.
"hey buddy, you're gonna need to eat less shitty food and eat more healthy food."


Contacting the professional organization of dietitians is exactly what I am doing. The problem was that they refused to answer then repeatedly asked questions as though they were suspicious of me. Considering the current food safety climate I am not totally surprised but I am able to prove my licensure. Fortunately I did get a response late yesterday. Judging by their written response, it is pretty obvious that the largest problem with responding to my questions was the language barrier. Maybe some of you would like to take 4 years of biochem and A&P, then do at least one year internship, then you can help with out!

Registered Dietitians across the globe function in many ways. I specialize in health related issues particular to the elderly such as osteoporosis, renal failure, cancer, dysphasia (inability to chew/swallow), drug interactions with food, and weight loss just to name a few issues. Eating issues in those with Alzheimer�s composes a pretty good part of my day in monitoring intake, identifying Altz stage by food preferences, and then direction of the kitchen to meet those needs. My work setting is in extended care facilities. Many other R.D.s work in hospitals with patients encountering dysphasia, GI dissection, congenital complications, cancer, kidney disease, pediatrics, and yes, weight loss. We are usually the ones that calculate the total parentaral formulas (TPN) for patients who cannot eat by mouth. In many situations we are the people that evaluate the labs of the patient then provide an evaluation and recommendation to the doctor.

Coaching "hey buddy, you're gonna need to eat less shitty food and eat more healthy food." is more along the lines of a personal trainer. R.D.s encourage greater activity and lifestyle management but we do that via education both privately and publicly.

Cheers,
Crockpot
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warren pease



Joined: 12 May 2008

PostPosted: Sat Jun 28, 2008 7:08 am    Post subject: Re: Advise on contacing a professional organization Reply with quote

Crockpot2001 wrote:


Coaching "hey buddy, you're gonna need to eat less shitty food and eat more healthy food." is more along the lines of a personal trainer. R.D.s encourage greater activity and lifestyle management but we do that via education both privately and publicly.


Isn't encouraging greater activity and lifestyle management both publicly and privately the same thing as what personal trainers do? Using pretty words doesn't change the message. I'm not saying there isn't a difference in what you do, but you do not clearly state what that difference is.

and why would you complain that these people don't want to talk to you. A lot of people don't want to talk to me, I don't go and tell the world about it. If you really want to talk to someone i can give you my girlfriends number, she never shuts up.
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Crockpot2001



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 28, 2008 2:46 pm    Post subject: Re: Advise on contacing a professional organization Reply with quote

warren pease wrote:
Crockpot2001 wrote:


Coaching "hey buddy, you're gonna need to eat less shitty food and eat more healthy food." is more along the lines of a personal trainer. R.D.s encourage greater activity and lifestyle management but we do that via education both privately and publicly.


Isn't encouraging greater activity and lifestyle management both publicly and privately the same thing as what personal trainers do? Using pretty words doesn't change the message. I'm not saying there isn't a difference in what you do, but you do not clearly state what that difference is.

and why would you complain that these people don't want to talk to you. A lot of people don't want to talk to me, I don't go and tell the world about it. If you really want to talk to someone i can give you my girlfriends number, she never shuts up.


Most personal trainers do not have the science and medical training required to specifically address the needs of a patient or client. If you need someone with fair knowledge of metabolism and proper use of resistance equipment to help you lose weight or build core strength, go to a personal trainer. If you are in the hospital post-op for a gastric bypass and need to be instructed on what specific order and quantity of foods you must eat, you see a RD. To be fair, some personal trainers do have extensive education and training but simply have not honed their education to qualify for the internship program required to be an RD. I can teach English in ROK with my degree in dietetics. The results of my teaching would very likely be better if I had a degree in English and an advanced degree.

Your last comment asking why I would complain that someone does not want to communicate is just odd and likely immature. The bigger issue is why you would stay with someone who seems to annoy you.
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bovinerebel



Joined: 27 Feb 2008

PostPosted: Sat Jun 28, 2008 2:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Underwaterbob wrote:
Might want to check your spelling:

contacting
adn = and
messages
thier = their
verify

There are some minor grammar issues as well. I'd suggest being a little more professional when contacting professionals. Cool


I'd like to distance myself from this repulsive individual. Show me a pedantic person and i'll show you someone with no imagination and creativity.
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