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red_devil



Joined: 30 Jun 2008
Location: Korea

PostPosted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 1:43 pm    Post subject: Unemployment Insurance Reply with quote

So reading the other tax thread got me thinking. What if you are collecting unemployment insurance..say $1600 a month, and then you leave for Korea? Theoretically you could just keep collecting that unemployment until it runs out in 18 months, while working in Korea right?
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Zaria32



Joined: 04 Dec 2007

PostPosted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 2:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

De4pends on whether you are willing to commit fraud or not...
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ttompatz



Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea

PostPosted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 6:47 pm    Post subject: Re: Unemployment Insurance Reply with quote

red_devil wrote:
So reading the other tax thread got me thinking. What if you are collecting unemployment insurance..say $1600 a month, and then you leave for Korea? Theoretically you could just keep collecting that unemployment until it runs out in 18 months, while working in Korea right?


IF you are from Canada you would be in violation of section 380 of the criminal code:

380. (1) Every one who, by deceit, falsehood or other fraudulent means, whether or not it is a false pretence within the meaning of this Act, defrauds the public or any person, whether ascertained or not, of any property, money or valuable security or any service,

(a) is guilty of an indictable offence and liable to a term of imprisonment not exceeding fourteen years, where the subject-matter of the offence is a testamentary instrument or the value of the subject-matter of the offence exceeds five thousand dollars; or

(b) is guilty

(i) of an indictable offence and is liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding two years, or

(ii) of an offence punishable on summary conviction,

where the value of the subject-matter of the offence does not exceed five thousand dollars.


If you fall into category (a) you can expect a sentence of up to 9 months in a provincial jail for EI fraud PLUS a restitution order of the FULL amount you collected (not just the portion you fraudulently collected).

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prairieboy



Joined: 14 Sep 2003
Location: The batcave.

PostPosted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 8:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was on EI when I first came to Korea (laid off and bouncing around from one transitional job to another but not making as much as I was, therefore the need for EI assistance).

Got offered a job in Korea so I quit the transitional job I was working (automatic disqualification for EI). Reported to EI on my bi-weekly work report but could not complete the automated telephone report because I quit.

I called a rep and completed the report. EI then sent me a check Shocked

Got a letter from HRDC a few weeks after I left informing me I had received benefits I wasn't entitled to and must repay immediately.

I countered with a repayment schedule and it was accepted. Over the next 5 months I repaid the $1000 or so they had paid out when they should not have done so.

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ttompatz



Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea

PostPosted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 12:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ya, but the op was talking about $1600 for 18 more months or about $29,000 of willfully filling in fraudulent claims.

A far cry from a simple one time overpayment of $1000.

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prairieboy



Joined: 14 Sep 2003
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 8:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I see.

When I was on EI before coming to Korea, the phone reporting system was sort of hit and miss. As I stated I contacted a live person to file my final report and gave the correct information. They screwed up and sent me benefits checks, which of couse I cashed because afterall, they are representing the government and they wouldn't send me money if I didn't deserve it Rolling Eyes

To continue to collect EI for 18 months while outside of Canada...you'd have to be feeding them false information. While HRDC and the government of Canada can be incompetent at times, they will not remain that way indefinitely.

Best to set things straight quickly or you may, as ttompatz has pointed out, become a guest of Canada Corrections shortly after your return.
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red_devil



Joined: 30 Jun 2008
Location: Korea

PostPosted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 6:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm a US Citizen.
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ttompatz



Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea

PostPosted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 7:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

red_devil wrote:
I'm a US Citizen.


Same rules, just a different section of the legislation. Fraud is fraud.

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