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[atomjuice2]

I just started at a school about 3 weeks ago. There is a Canadian Korean teaching here as well. I asked her if she got the criminal background check...she said no...she's on a f-4 visa or something. She is a Canadian Citizen, lived in Vancouver for the past 3 years, but did not need the criminal check because she was once a Korean Citizen. This really irked me. So, it is very clear that the cbc check has nothing to do with actual citizenship, but is instead a racist policy not applied to Citizens of Canada who are of Korean 'blood'. Does this bother anyone except me? Am I the only one that cannot see the blatant racist heart of this policy?

Our government in Canada ( and the Canadian Embassy here...staffed by Koreans ) are so wimpy. The Americans are so lucky to have a 'real'embassy surroundedby a fence and soldiers...and staffed by English speaking Americans...you guys are so lucky to have a 'gutsy' government!

[Imrahil]

The CBC applies to people on E-2 visa and another E series visa, regardless of their nationality. Your coworker did not have to apply for it because she is on an F series visa. Foreigners who are on a F series visa also will not have to do the CBC to work in a hagwan. So do you hate them too?

[Roch]

[atomjuice2]

First, I have met many Koreans who are kind and not corrupt. Many of my Korean co-workers are friendly and great to work with ( including the lady I mentioned ). I merely tried to pont out the ease at which she acquired her F series visa ( very difficult for Canadians here if you are white and not married to a Korean )...she is not married to a Korean, her parents live in Canada, and she waltzed over here and got a F series visa with no hassle at all..she told me this upfront. She should have the same status as me...a citizen of Canada who needs to jump through the same immigration hoops that I do, provide the same cbc paperwork, but this is definately not the case. I'm struggling to get an E2 visa, while she just marched over here the same time as I did ( same starting date even ) and wisked out of immi with a F series visa, while I have been relentlessly threatened and interrogated by immi since I set foot here. That is what ticks me off.

[cdninkorea]

Of course she didn't need a background check- why would she? After all, she has Korean blood flowing through her veins, and we all know that Koreans don't commit crimes.

Especially sexual crimes against children; Korea is conservative, and no one has sex until they are married and only with their spouse. Best of all, no one enjoys it because to enjoy it wouldn't be consistent with conservatism, now would it?

*cough* *cough*
Status for occurrence and arrest of 5 major crimes
http://www.police.go.kr/KNPA/statistics/st_criminal_affairs.jsp

[Shimokitazawa]

[atomjuice2]

Immigrants in Canada are mainly people who are granted either citizenship or landed immigrant status. Canada allows over 100 000 people a year to immigrate fully to Canada. The situation in Korea is a totally different one. First, there are only about 17 000 foreign teachers here..and they are not 'immigrants', they are merely here on work visas for one year. They also have no protection of their basic human rights...as do all immigrants to Canada. Also, 100 000 people per year is much greater than the paultry amount of 'real' immigrants Korea allows in each year. As far as crime goes, I would like to know the statistical percentage of crimes in Korea in the general population vs the 17 000 E2 visa holders...do you have a link? By comparison, Canada has 40 000 Korean citizens who are living illegally in the country. Canada has not even a fraction of that number even living in Korea...and our population ( Canada's ) is only 32 million, while Korea's is 49 million. Finally, you said 'Japan is facing the same problem'..do you mean the same as Canada ( an immigrant nation )? Korea is not an immigrant nation...most people working here from other countries are merely working on a visa of some sort, not immigrants that have changed citizenship or ever plan to. So, you are saying there is a higher rate of crime among foreigners here than the national 'background' rate...link please!

[supernick]

If a Korean Canadian was applying for an E-2, then he or she will need the CBC as far as I know. If she had an E-2 and didn't need a CBC, then you'll have a point.

Get your numbers right. Canada has 300.000 immigrants a year, or close to it. This number does not include the 50.000 or so that are on work permits. There very well could be close to 40,000 Koreans in Canada that are there illegally and Canada should crack down on them, if that is indeed the case.

As the American pointed out, the U.S. embassy is also staffed by many Korean staff. And I would much rather have a country that doesn't need to be protected by a bunch of idiotic conscripts who often hurl insults to their Korean people just because they are moving to the U.S.

[atomjuice2]

I'm not sure how many times I will have to clarify my point. My original point was that she could bypass the E2 visa process without any hassle merely because she was at one time a 'Korean Citizen'...she has a full Canadian citizenship...sin card...etc. If I ( or any non-Koean heritage Canadian ) could have worked here so easily with a F series visa, I would have done so in a shot. My subsequent point being that a F series visa is all but impossible for 'us' to get, but she told me yesterday that the whole process took her just once to immi and she immediately started working on the F series visa. My numbers on Canadian Immigration are dated, but that was not my main point. I hope that this is the last time I have to clarify why I feel frustrated over a policy ( held by the Korean immi authorities ) that all but equals dual citizenship...meaning that Canadian Koreans can enjoy all the benefits of Canada ( that we so liberally hand out to Koreans who become Canadian citizens )...while the non-Korean Canadians get shafted, interrogated, and generally treated like non-persons here in Korea. This policy is in all practical terms 'dually beneficial' if you don't like the term 'dual citizenship.

[atomjuice2]

I'm not sure how many times I will have to clarify my point. My original point was that she could bypass the E2 visa process without any hassle merely because she was at one time a 'Korean Citizen'...she has a full Canadian citizenship...sin card...etc. If I ( or any non-Koean heritage Canadian ) could have worked here so easily with a F series visa, I would have done so in a shot. My subsequent point being that a F series visa is all but impossible for 'us' to get, but she told me yesterday that the whole process took her just once to immi and she immediately started working on the F series visa. My numbers on Canadian Immigration are dated, but that was not my main point. I hope that this is the last time I have to clarify why I feel frustrated over a policy ( held by the Korean immi authorities ) that all but equals dual citizenship...meaning that Canadian-Koreans can enjoy all the benefits of Canada ( that we so liberally hand out to Koreans who become Canadian citizens )...while the non-Korean Canadians get shafted, interrogated, and generally treated like non-persons here in Korea. This policy is in all practical terms 'dually beneficial' for the Korean-Canadians if you don't like the term 'dual citizenship '. And Korea does not permit dual citizenship...but this favoritism acts in like fashion to dual citizenship...thus, I see the practical reasoning behind the favoritism as being blantant racism for those aware enough to see...

[atomjuice2]

I'm not sure how many times I will have to clarify my point. My original point was that she could bypass the E2 visa process without any hassle merely because she was at one time a 'Korean Citizen'...she has a full Canadian citizenship...sin card...etc. If I ( or any non-Korean heritage Canadian ) could have worked here so easily with a F series visa, I would have done so in a shot. My subsequent point being that a F series visa is all but impossible for 'us' to get, but she told me yesterday that the whole process took her just once to immi and she immediately started working on the F series visa. My numbers on Canadian Immigration are dated, but that was not my main point. I hope that this is the last time I have to clarify why I feel frustrated over a policy ( held by the Korean immi authorities ) that all but equals dual citizenship for Korean-Canadians...meaning that Canadian-Koreans can enjoy all the benefits of Canada ( that we so liberally hand out to Koreans who become Canadian citizens )...while the non-Korean Canadians get shafted, interrogated, and generally treated like non-persons here in Korea. This policy is in all practical terms 'dually beneficial' for the Korean-Canadians if you don't like the term 'dual citizenship '. And Korea does not permit dual citizenship...but this favoritism acts in like fashion to dual citizenship...thus, I see the practical reasoning behind the favoritism as being blantant for of racism which ensures the maximum benefits for those Canadians who are viewed here as being 'Korean' who have been smart enough to use Canada ( and Canadians generousity and tax money) ...while the rest of us have to sit on the sidelines and watch this nonsense continue while we are being detained, fined, and deported waiting for documents to be processed for any kind of visa that permits us to work in Korea.

[atomjuice2]

This also does not include a subsequent gripe I have concerning the teaching of privates. She, undoubtedly, can go about teaching privates wide open as the authorities are only looking for a 'white English' @ss to pin a fine and deportation order on if they are caught teaching privates.

[tigerbluekitty]

Korean government prefer their own kind, which is why they give gyopos special privileges. In return, they think this will help their relations with the foreign countries of the gyopos. It insures that Korea has gyopos who will fight for Korea should there ever be trouble and ask their country of citizenship for help should Korea ever be in need.

As for foreigners, Korea probably don't think they're trustworthy enough, therefore impose restrictions to control and use them to their own advantage.

Korea loves using people as pawns for their own interests.

[atomjuice2]

Agreed. Also, it would be highly unlikely for a very 'cute' Canadian White girl to get deported...the usual male directors want to get in their pants first....then MAYBE deport them if they don't accept their 'benign' sexual advances. I'm so disgusted with this place...they don't need to get mad-cow disease...they are already totally bovine in the moral department already...while the 6-8000 Canadians teaching here ( it drops daily ) are the 'perverts' and criminals!

[Imrahil]

If you hate this country so much then just leave it, of course when your contract expires. Also foreigners or "white Canadians" on F series visa's such as F-2-1 and F-5 also do not have to go through the CBC and can teach privates after registering with the local education office. So do you hate them too? They are also getting 'special treatment' from the immigration office.