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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003 Location: I walk along the avenue
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Posted: Mon Aug 04, 2008 4:32 am Post subject: Alexander Solzhenitsyn is dead |
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Just saw it on MSNBC.
http://tinyurl.com/59fmlz |
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Ya-ta Boy
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Posted: Mon Aug 04, 2008 5:56 am Post subject: |
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That's too bad. His 'The First Circle' and 'Cancer Ward' are great books. |
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Tjames426
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Posted: Mon Aug 04, 2008 9:09 pm Post subject: |
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Sadly, most people do not know who he was.
He was one of the Greatest writers of the 20th Century. He was not afraid to tell the truth. Which is probably why both the West and USSR were not sure what to do with him. He blasted the societies of both the USSR and the USA.
But, he exposed Communism for what it is. His book, Gulag, could possibly be a modern day description of Chinese labor camps. |
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Ya-ta Boy
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Posted: Tue Aug 05, 2008 1:16 am Post subject: |
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The lack of response to this topic indicates you are probably right--people just don't know who he is. That's too bad. He really was one of the great writers of the last century. |
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soviet_man

Joined: 23 Apr 2005 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Tue Aug 05, 2008 2:01 am Post subject: |
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I have debated communist ideas with on the other hand and others here many times. I don't want to re-visit that today - but I do want to share my personal thoughts nonetheless:
I have lived in Russian USSR for most of my early life and, like others of my background, can say I am somewhat uncertain how to respond to news of Solzhenitsyn's death.
Orthodox communist perspective would be to view Solzhenitsyn as being a traitor, stooge and western advocate. Indeed he was all of those things.
But it is more technical and complex than that ...
Yes he is a man who encountered tragedy, misfortune, hardship, harassment and discomfort. But he alone is the one that chose a lifestyle as a dissident and obscure polemicist that resulted in those things happening.
But even this, alone, if we believe even half of it as true, is not sufficient enough an excuse to understand why he had such an obsession to tar the entire vast USSR, as being a human and political failure. Which it was not.
Not only was it deeply inaccurate for him to try and diminish the incredible creative potential and achievements that *did* occur during the Soviet period, but after 1991, with the arrival of capitalism and waves of economic distress, it was fittingly Solzhenitsyn himself - who was left discredited, irrelevant and ideologically diminished. |
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xtchr
Joined: 23 Nov 2004
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Posted: Tue Aug 05, 2008 2:36 am Post subject: |
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Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
That's too bad. His 'The First Circle' and 'Cancer Ward' are great books. |
I haven't read either of those, but I liked* 'One Day in the Life of Ivan Denisovich'.
*Liked is not the right word, i.e it is not enjoyable as such, (but I'm really tired and sick too so can't think exactly what I'm trying to say).
RIP. |
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Ya-ta Boy
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Posted: Tue Aug 05, 2008 5:53 am Post subject: |
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xtchr,
If you get a chance, I highly recommend both of his other books I mentioned. "First Circle" is about a group of people in the 'first circle' of the hell of the gulag, the slightly restricted level, not the outright grimness depicted in Ivan. "Cancer Ward" is an extended metaphor using cancer as communism to describe Soviet society. |
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Harpeau
Joined: 01 Feb 2003 Location: Coquitlam, BC
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Posted: Tue Aug 05, 2008 6:33 am Post subject: |
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Tjames426 wrote: |
Sadly, most people do not know who he was.
He was one of the Greatest writers of the 20th Century. He was not afraid to tell the truth. Which is probably why both the West and USSR were not sure what to do with him. He blasted the societies of both the USSR and the USA.
But, he exposed Communism for what it is. His book, Gulag, could possibly be a modern day description of Chinese labor camps. |
That is tragic, indeed. Alexander Solzhenitsyn was one of my favorite writers back in high school. He had a prophetic voice that rang the alarm that Communism was spiritually bankrupt and failed to nourish the soul. It was quite interesting when he came over to the USA and started speaking out against the West. He made some great points. His books were eye-opening and did make me think about life. I think he will be remembered among the other great Russian writers. RIP. |
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mises
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Posted: Tue Aug 05, 2008 8:08 am Post subject: |
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soviet_man wrote: |
Orthodox communist perspective would be to view Solzhenitsyn as being a traitor, stooge and western advocate. Indeed he was all of those things.
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But he alone is the one that chose a lifestyle as a dissident |
And this is why the USSR was a totalitarian crapshoot. |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003 Location: I walk along the avenue
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Posted: Tue Aug 05, 2008 8:16 am Post subject: |
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Yes he is a man who encountered tragedy, misfortune, hardship, harassment and discomfort. But he alone is the one that chose a lifestyle as a dissident and obscure polemicist that resulted in those things happening.
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All true. And you could say the same thing about Nelson Mandela or any of the other western dissidents that the Soviets(not without reason) used to praise. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Established in 1994
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Posted: Tue Aug 05, 2008 2:23 pm Post subject: |
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Here's an excerpt from an article at Asia Times Online:
Before the prophet, the writer
By Peter Vail
In the 19th century two books changed the lives of millions of people: Harriet Beecher Stowe's Uncle Tom's Cabin, which played an enormous role in ending slavery in the United States ,and Nikolai Chernyshevsky's What Is To Be Done?, which set thousands of Russians on the path toward revolution.
In the 20th century, there was only one such book - Alexander Solzhenitsyn's The Gulag Archipelago. Solzhenitsyn died this week at the age of 89.
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Central_Asia/JH06Ag01.html |
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Kuros
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Posted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 12:22 am Post subject: |
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Harpeau wrote: |
Tjames426 wrote: |
Sadly, most people do not know who he was.
He was one of the Greatest writers of the 20th Century. He was not afraid to tell the truth. Which is probably why both the West and USSR were not sure what to do with him. He blasted the societies of both the USSR and the USA.
But, he exposed Communism for what it is. His book, Gulag, could possibly be a modern day description of Chinese labor camps. |
That is tragic, indeed. Alexander Solzhenitsyn was one of my favorite writers back in high school. He had a prophetic voice that rang the alarm that Communism was spiritually bankrupt and failed to nourish the soul. It was quite interesting when he came over to the USA and started speaking out against the West. He made some great points. His books were eye-opening and did make me think about life. I think he will be remembered among the other great Russian writers. RIP. |
I haven't read him. Is he really in Dostoevesky's league? Even without having read him, I have to doubt it.
Harpeau is right and Soviet Man is wrong, Solzhenitsyn was no Soviet stooge. Not long after receiving the Nobel Prize and being ejected to America, he began speaking out against Capitalism.
Soviet Man wrote: |
But even this, alone, if we believe even half of it as true, is not sufficient enough an excuse to understand why he had such an obsession to tar the entire vast USSR, as being a human and political failure. Which it was not. |
*Shakes head in pity* |
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Ya-ta Boy
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Posted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 4:50 am Post subject: |
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Is he really in Dostoevesky's league? |
I guess that would depend on your criteria for Dostoevesky's League. I'd say D throws harder but with less control, so more dull spots when he should have been benched by his editor. S is more consistent, but slightly less hard hitting.
Probably the most objective way to measure S's quality is for you to order a box of his books and see if the Chinese let them in. If you receive them, then he was not as good as he might have been. If the customs authorities confiscate the books and you wake up in the Chinese version of the gulag, then you will know how accurate he was in describing the CCP's summer camp program. |
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nicholas_chiasson

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Posted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 3:55 pm Post subject: |
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I find S a bit darker than Dostoyevsky...and more overtly political. I do find his language a bit better. I guess the poster who sad Dostoyevsky is uneven while S. is more reliable put it very well.
-anyway sovietman at least had the honesty to declare himself a CCCP buff before writing about the man. Obviously I disagree. I can honestly say Solzhenitsyn was the 2nd most influential Russian writer for me. |
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