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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Established in 1994
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Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 2:32 pm Post subject: Obama widens lead over McCain, well some anyway |
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WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Democratic presidential hopeful Barack Obama has opened up a double-digit lead over Republican John McCain two weeks after he clinched the nomination, a new poll published on Friday showed.
The nationwide poll conducted by Newsweek showed Obama leading McCain by a margin of 51-36 percent, indicating that he might have got a bounce from his recent primary victory over Hillary Clinton.
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Now is the time for Obama to make a really stirring speech and grab the attention of the voters. He needs to express 'that vision thing' that Bush I so notably lacked and inspire people. It would drive a stake into the heart of the McCain campaign and further demoralize them to good effect while energizing his constituency. I suggest he take a few hours and listen to recordings of FDR's Fireside Chats and campaign speeches to get the right tone. And while he has the public's attention, he should turn the tables on the Republicans and demonize conservatives for the mess we all know we are in. His final line should be something about inviting Republicans to give up their mistaken policies and join the Democrats in seeking solutions to the mess they have made.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080621/pl_nm/usa_politics_poll_dc;_ylt=Ah_KnTs0a4oRVuOMVJrjEI0DW7oF
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 7:15 pm Post subject: |
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That closely reflects the gap.
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Question twelve of the NBC News / Wall Street Journal poll asks whether voters want a Congress controlled by Republicans or by Democrats...
Republican-controlled Congress....... 33
Democrat-controlled Congress ......... 52 |
Republican meltdown. Democratic boon. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Established in 1994
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Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2008 8:13 pm Post subject: |
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Interesting. The post I put up the other day said Democrats are only expecting modest gains in November. Perhaps they should revise their estimates upward.
Why oh why can't tomorrow be November 1? |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Established in 1994
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Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 4:42 pm Post subject: |
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USA Today/Gallup is not so optimistic about Obama.
Poll: Split electorate nudges Obama ahead
WASHINGTON � Illinois Sen. Barack Obama hasn't gotten much of a bounce among voters nationwide since clinching the Democratic presidential nomination, a new USA TODAY/Gallup Poll shows.
Obama leads Republican John McCain by 48%-42% among registered voters in the survey, taken Sunday through Thursday. In a survey taken May 30 to June 1, Obama held a three-point lead over the Arizona senator.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-06-20-poll-friday_N.htm |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003 Location: Retired
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Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 6:42 pm Post subject: |
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Keep in mind that many hard-core Clinton supporters have announced their intentions to vote for McCain in November should Obama win the nomination.
Given that the nomination race lasted so long and created so many bitter feelings, this scenario is not at all unlikely. Now if McCain can reach out to independents while keeping his base energized, he stands a good chance of winning the White House. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Established in 1994
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Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2008 11:38 pm Post subject: |
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many hard-core Clinton supporters have announced their intentions |
Yes, but that was in the heat of the moment, as it were. And it would have been (should have been) reflected in these two polls taken since the nomination was sewed up.
I think the bump was so small because everyone except the Independents (10-13%) has made up his mind who he's going to vote for. Neither Obama nor McCain has closed the deal with them. |
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mithridates

Joined: 03 Mar 2003 Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency
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Czarjorge

Joined: 01 May 2007 Location: I now have the same moustache, and it is glorious.
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Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 12:03 pm Post subject: |
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Will the democrats get anything done if they have control of both legislative and administrative? I hope they get more done than the first GDubs terms. |
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TheUrbanMyth
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Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 5:52 pm Post subject: |
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Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
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many hard-core Clinton supporters have announced their intentions |
Yes, but that was in the heat of the moment, as it were. And it would have been (should have been) reflected in these two polls taken since the nomination was sewed up.
I think the bump was so small because everyone except the Independents (10-13%) has made up his mind who he's going to vote for. Neither Obama nor McCain has closed the deal with them. |
Actually supporters on both sides have been saying they'd vote for McCain for months should the other side's nominee win. However the overall percentage is small, which may go some way to explaining the polls (which are not always reliable... case in point the exit polls of 2004). |
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Kuros
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Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 6:07 pm Post subject: |
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Czarjorge wrote: |
Will the democrats get anything done if they have control of both legislative and administrative? I hope they get more done than the first GDubs terms. |
I think it depends. If McCain is elected, there's a lot of compromise necessary to get things done. But, if Obama wins, the Democrats have a lot of muscle. The Dems' problem is they probably still won't have a 60% threshold in the Senate. So the GOP could still filibuster. The Dems may support the nuclear option once in the majority. |
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Kuros
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Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 6:52 pm Post subject: |
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Obama leads in swing states
COLORADO: Obama 49 - McCain 44
MICHIGAN: Obama 48 - McCain 42
MINNESOTA: Obama 54 - McCain 37
WISCONSIN: Obama 52 - McCain 39
Colorado may not hold, but I don't see McCain winning either Minnesota or Wisconsin. Michigan is a must win for McCain because he'll be losing at least one or two GOP territories this Fall. |
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Ya-ta Boy
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Posted: Sat Jun 28, 2008 12:17 am Post subject: |
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Interesting up-date, Kuros.
About the 'white conservative independents, especially men' comment: Does this mean we're going to have to put up with months of the 'poor me, I'm an underpriviledged white man'? The only thing drearier than a member of a minority playing the victim card is a member of a majority playing the victim card. |
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