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[bovinerebel]

I started a new south african themed blog and I thought it would be interesting to debate this.

Whilst living in the ........er....interesting country of Thailand , I would often pop over to my home countries online newspapers , mostly for a good laugh .

In between the uplifting tales of anal buggery and sports headlines starring Crushing/Humiliating Defeat , I read about all sorts of interesting things .

For example I learned that Armageddon had struck Thailand , a veritable plague of "bird flue" was wiping out the masses . Along with pictures of women gasping for air through their face masks , metaphorically reaching out for the helping hands of the White Knights of the West .

Chicken Genocide was taking place at a level that would have made Colonel Saunders cum in his pants and here I was in Thailand , the centre of it all , and I'd heard nothing about it .

Now , given that , the Thai people aren't possibly the most responsible people in the world .That not EVERY SINGLE Thai airways jets crashes and burns horrible into the ground , is to me one of God's great unexplainable mysteries (like Australia).

So of course , being that kind of person who doesn't want to die (you know the type: not counting those times during when they put Kurt Darren on at the pub) , I obviously decided to do a bit of research into , as I like to call it " WHAT THE F#CK IS GOING ON?"

Soon it all blew over , and it was back to murdering chickens at a more sane level (turn in your grave colonel!) , but not before the world had gone into wide spread panic over the death of about 18 people (about 1/100th of the amount of people who had died of other types of flue those few weeks).

It wasn't long and then everyone was shitting their pants over Sars . Now if they meant the "South African Revenue Service" , sure , I'd agree , the worse thing to happen since Cancer ! But they were talking about a flue that had the strange and inexplicable way of killing the OLD AND THE ALREADY SICK . Exactly like all flue has been doing for thousands of years . Cunning .

Anyway , Sars panic came and passed , but not before George W Bush had used tax payers money to fund pharmaceutical companies with billions of dollars to provide vaccines (for a disease that killed 180 old or already sick people) in about a year .

Would you like to speculate on what kind of cut backs the politicians got from these billions of dollars investments into the glutinous pockets of the pharmaceutical companies ? What next ? Helmets ? Never know when that sky's going to fall on your heads !

(Also worth considering is Malaria kills 1 million people in Africa every year , far more than AIDS, and this would be easily avoided with relatively tiny bit of investment.)

Now this all brings me to my point (god help us) . With this type of bullshit scaremongering going on in the world , and huge profits being made out of it . Isn't it perhaps a little likely it might have some part to play in the over exaggeration of H.I.V/Aids in some African countries ? All these "charity organizations" on the level ? All pharmaceutical companies receiving government "grants" to produce "free" anti retrovirals , have no interest in exaggerating the demand ?

Every time I see some sensationalist f#cking �1 out of 5� people are dying from Aids in South Africa claim I want to murder somebody (well , more than usual anyway). Obviously a scourge of Crack has infiltrated the Media , cause they sure are speaking a bunch of Smug f#cking sh!t !

Now I'm not suggesting HIV/Aids isn't a big problem . You don't need the philosophical prowess of Emmanuel Kant , or a degree in bio-chemistry to see how a killer sexually transmitted disease might be a problem in a promiscuous , non condom wearing society . WE UNDERSTAND !

But ...!

I don't know when this �1 in 5� nonsense started . It's been longer than 10 years now anyway . You would think it that time I might ..... just might , have known one SINGLE F#CKING PERSON who died of Aids . In fact if there had been any truth to this urban myth that been drilling into our little South African minds we�d have a minimum loss of 800 000 people every year. And that�s a conservative estimate. How many people in fact are dying ? the only reliable source I have seen was for 2005 where �wait for it�15000 people died of Aids.

Now I know what�s coming next. You will argue that it�s masked as TB. There is no good reason to think this because TB has been killing people since the dawn of time in Africa at far higher rates that have been happening today and it�s far more likely in fact that with all the panic Tb deaths are recorded as AIDS than the other way around. But even if we do use this flawed logic that would account for another 45 000 deaths in 2005. So at a grossly inflated to reality rate a worst case scenario is 70 000 people. Not 1 tenth of what can be expect as a best case scenario by these 1 in 5 guesstimates.

I could bore you with studies done to show in South African jails only 1.4 % of the inmates had Aids .How statistically the chances of getting Hiv from heterosexual intercourse is seriously minuscule that you�d need at least 2000 sexual exposures to someone with HIV to even stand a small chance of getting aids (but increases if you both have an std...so wear a damn Condom you idiots !!!) and 1000 exposures if you�re into anal sex.

In fact if you think about it if there is any truth to the 1 in 5 myth that would mean that an std such as HIV that was so hard to contract sexually somehow managed to be MORE prevalent than something as easy to contract as herpes or syphilis. This makes NO sense. It�s nonsense , it�s bollocks, it�s b#llshit of the highest order. You�re being made to look like a chump by these manipulated statistics and I suggest someone is getting very rich off it.

Adding to that there are very , very good reasons to even question how big a role HIV even plays in Aids. The fact of the matter is that if you take a person who doesn�t eat well (already has a low immune system) , give him some highly stressful news(which lowers the immune system) such as�I don�t know��YOU ARE GOING TO DIE��the stress alone could kill him. Add to that mix the most superficial of illnesses and he�s number is up. The solution some people seem to think is give these people anti retrovirals , which are highly toxic , without addressing the factors that lead them to have low immune systems in the first place, such as poor diet. You may as well feed the arsenic !

The irony is that our minister of health and president very calmly tried to make this very valid point that we need to deal with AIDS holistically and suggested some very pragmatic things people could do such as take vitamins and natural antibiotics in the forms of beetroot and garlic, and whitey ran out of his way to call them �witch doctors�. Well done whitey , your ignorance and eagerness to label any black person stupid has taken some more lives. Murderers.

What really pisses me off , is they loaded all this �hyperbole� into my nervous system .Made me sure that sex would surely lead to my rapid painful death ( oral sex would probably just leave me paralyzed ) . Ensured that every sexual encounter was akin to Russian roulette and that sleeping around akin to Mass murder .

Condoms , it was implied , were only slightly effective , and sleeping around with a condom would was like heroine use .It wont kill you right away , but the reaper was already lifting his scythe and ......in time my friend.....in time .

So at that more innocent time , the only people sleeping around ,(in my mind ) were death wish heroine junkies , mass murderers , suicidal gamblers , the French , and Bill Clinton .
Anyone else who was sleeping around had given up on condoms (because they were sure they would die anyway) , and �sex� was all a bit shit really .

So what's wrong with the media's sensationalistic claims and paranoia feeding bullshit ?


............warning the following contains scenes of , narcissism ,pussiness and whining like a little bitch ....those with a sensitive stomach should not read on...............


I don't know about anyone else , but after a drunken reckless stint of �playing� around Asia , I spent 2 years of hell , total fucking hell ! The stress of which actually made me often sick (helping to further perpetuate my fears) , thinking I obviously had picked it up .I'd even had unprotected sex after all .I was doomed , surely ? Nights of drinking to ease my fears , leading to more �mishaps� , and a whole vicious cycle started . Pushing people who loved me away and descending into a pit of debauchery that made me the dark f#cker I am today .

So eventually I did the right thing (so I could get it over with) , went for tests and I was 100% fine . I was so shocked I even went for a second opinion . Again : 100% fine . Not even a boring std to boast about .

But the damage can not be outdone .Once you have stared death in the face , and rushed through anger , fear , bargaining etc of death into the phase of acceptance.....there are no more fucking easter bunnies and pretty sunny rainbows for you my friend .

Thanks......media . Thanks Whitey.


@ssholes

http://killallwhitey.blogspot.com

[Cheonmunka]

When HIV or AIDS first came out it freaked us out. No longer was consensual love safe.
I guess it got a lot of airplay comparitive with Malaria, TB, because it was new and a killer affecting some westerners.
The homosexual element also would have given it a lot of the airplay. At the time it came out in NZ, in the mid eighties, PC life was beginning and gays were being encouraged to come out of the closet. (Check out local TV production Shortland Street with its token gay guys.) So, there was a lot of talk about it. And, some young men did die. We also know that some heteros developed it and died, and also that some children died as the strain was passed from their mother. That is plain sad.

I cannot explain though why our governments can't fund TB, malaria innoculations in Africa, as you say, rather throw our money into other schemes. I am as non-plussed as you.

However, you should be glad of your 100% negative test. It could have easily been the other way.

[bovinerebel]

[captain kirk]

You've got a point. Media scaremongering regarding disease would allow big budgets alloted to pharmaceutical companies and kickbacks for the politicians. And since you're average joe isn't a scientist who's to know what's true and what's not.

The same thing happens in a war or 'war readiness'. Media scaremongers and unites the populace. Huge money is alloted to armament manufacture. And kickbacks.

It's in Orwell's novel '1984' where the sea fortress of Oceania is battling the aircraft carriers of Siberia and whatnot. Common people listen to media reports about this never-ending war(s) in far off places. Meanwhile, if all the money going awry were actually in place, life would be idyllic.

Instead they drink rotgut 'Victory' gin and eat 'rations'. There is no war.

[Quack Addict]

uhm...I read about 3 paragraphs and then noticed your rambling was about 40 paragraphs long. Try getting to the point a little quicker. Or direct people to your blog where they don't mind reading through your thoughts and foul language.

As far as interesting news about South Africa.

http://www.southafricanews.net/index.php

Happy birthday sangoma loving, chicken bone throwing Mandela. Your now off the U.S.A. terror watch list. Now he can die in peace.

[Cheonmunka]

Well, the first blog linked was a bit of a shocker.

[Ukon]

[doc_ido]

How about you bore us with your studies? Then we can at least see proven (within the confines of the study at least) figures instead of having to rely on second-hand information (not to suggest you're biased).

Not to ask for proof without having some figures of my own, I'll begin.

The 2006 South African Department of Health Study samples around 33000 pregnant women across around 1400 antenatal clinics. The mean infection rate was 29 %.

The 2005 South African National HIV Survey tested around 15500 people in 10000 households. The mean infection rate for people over 2 years old was 11 %; the highest rate being 33 % in women aged 25-29.

The DoH, cooperating with the WHO and UNAIDS, published in mid-2007 that the overall prevalence in 2006 was 18 % in people aged 15-49.

Note that these are infection rates, not death rates.

Remember, kids - the next president says you can avoid infection by showering after sex!

[xingyiman]

Just eat kimchi. Kimchi is the great vaccination against all sicknesses up to and includig AIDS. But it won't protect you from fan death.

[bovinerebel]

[Fishead soup]

Bernard Trink lost his job with The Bangkok Post when he suggested that the whole AIDS epidemic had been massively exagerated. He also pointed out that the link between HIV and aids had never been proven.
Can you remember all those cheesy 60 minute type shows quoting statics like 50% of bargirls were HIV +. Don't you think they would be dropping like flies if that was true.

I've actually only know one person who died of aids. He was a fairy with a cheesy Freddy Murcury stash.

[doc_ido]

Thanks for the clarification bovinerebel. Didn't think you had any proof.

[bovinerebel]

[bovinerebel]

The more one considers diet and stress to be the most important factors in AIDS and not hiv , the more one is able to explain the disease and it's prevelence in africa. I'm not an aids denialist ...it exists.....but i think the only time hiv becomes a very significant factor in the disease is when you tell someone it means they are going to die.

Take a person who has a low immune system due to diet and tell them they have a disease that will kill them and watch how the added stress makes them sick. the getting sick perpetuates the idea and the stress increases. They some of them are given highly toxic anti retrovirals....and we all sit back and seem surprised that they die ?

Ridiculous....we're killing people every day by not thinking this through critically.

[mises]

I gave this topic a little knockaround down in the CE forum.

http://forums.eslcafe.com/korea/viewtopic.php?p=1679347

I did some research into how the epidemiological surveys of Africa were being done. I discovered that the World Bank does diagnosis by symptom. Also, the World Bank has their researchers attach HIV to any TB case.

Anyways, I've been around this bush with people dozens of times. Typically, after I get annoyed with people who have not researched the issue beyond headline reading I just email them this picture from the University of Washington.

http://depts.washington.edu/hivaids/images/post/post_c5_d01.gif

How in the hell is is possible that 30% of a population has HIV when it is that difficult to get. Nonsense.

HIV causes AIDS, the acquired immune deficiency syndrome. A poor immune system. Many of the symptoms of AIDS are very similar to the outcomes of being dirt poor. If you don't have clean drinking water, access to sanitary tools, clean food, medicine of any kind and you shit near where you eat/sleep you will get a poor immune system. We are over diagnosing HIV significantly in Africa and it is easy to see why. Some of the money we are spending on HIV would be better spent focusing on other projects. Diagnosing by symptoms and applying rates in at-risk groups to the wider society is leading to an improper allocation of medical and development cash. Dogma, and an improper way of measuring the likely number of infections are doing a great deal of harm.

Here are two articles, one from the Rolling Stone and the other from the Spectator.

http://www.whatisaids.com/rollingstone.htm
http://www.spectator.co.uk/the-magazine/features/11032/africa-isnt-dying-of-aids.thtml