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The Protesters' Hall of Fame
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caniff



Joined: 03 Feb 2004
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 7:10 am    Post subject: The Protesters' Hall of Fame Reply with quote

Korean's have got the numbers, but this group has shown they deserve special consideration for a first-ballot entry:



BERKELEY, California (AP) -- In December 2006, protesters angry about campus expansion plans clambered into the branches of a threatened oak grove at the University of California, Berkeley.Since then, Democrats have chosen their first black presidential candidate, the housing market has taken a dive, and gasoline prices have boomed.

Still, the tree-sitters continue to sit.

There had been signs that the protest might be coming to an end as a court case challenging a planned multimillion-dollar athletic training facility inched closer to resolution.

This month, administrators, who won a court order allowing them to evict the protesters at any time, cut supply lines, yanked a few protesters out of the trees and drove the rest into a single redwood. For a while, it looked like campus officials were prepared to starve protesters out.

But after the remaining half-dozen or so tree sitters said they were a) not moving and b) rationing water, officials relented and offered sustenance to the protesters aloft.

"This misguided effort to preserve a 1923 landscaping project certainly doesn't warrant any action that could cause harm or permanent health consequences for anybody involved," campus spokesman Dan Mogulof said.

Protesters and their supporters say they are prepared to hold out.

"They're very well-trained tree climbers. They're very experienced, and I have trust in them that they're going to keep themselves safe and they're going to keep defending the grove," said a ground supporter who would give her name only as Citizyn.

UC-Berkeley officials say they need the new center to provide safe and up-to-date facilities for their athletes. Once the center is built, the second phase of the project involves upgrading Memorial Stadium: old, dilapidated and sitting right on top of the Hayward fault.

Neighborhood residents, the city of Berkeley and the California Oak Foundation have sued to stop the project, saying it violates environmental and earthquake safety regulations.

A judge issued an injunction blocking construction while the suits were pending and was expected to make a definitive ruling earlier this month. But that ruling turned out to be a bit mixed, with both sides reading victory into its 129 pages.

Alameda County Superior Court Judge Barbara Miller found that the new center is mostly legal. However, on the stadium upgrade part of the project, she said the university has to prove that some planned work doesn't amount to more than 50 percent of the value of the original building, a state requirement.

On Friday, UC-Berkeley filed a response saying it is eliminating the items the judge questioned. Administrators also asked the judge to modify the preliminary injunction, saying there are no longer grounds for preventing construction on the new facility.

Once the judge has issued a final ruling, it can be appealed. But construction could begin earlier if UC is successful in getting the injunction lifted.

On the tree issue, campus officials note that most of the trees were planted by the university in the 1920s. They have promised to plant three trees for every one felled. But tree-sitters say that is not acceptable.For the past 18 months, protesters had been cycling in and out, using supply lines stretched over a campus-erected barricade. But the stepped-up campus actions stopped that.

In the past two weeks, the mood has swung wildly.

Protesters howled, flung excrement and shook tree branches as campus-hired arborists cut supply lines and removed gear.
But by late this week, campus police were conducting delicate negotiations with tree-sitters, offering to provide food and water if protesters would lower their waste on a daily basis in the interest of hygiene.

Campus officials ended up giving up the water without concessions; protesters declined to yield their urine.

http://edition.cnn.com/2008/US/06/28/tree.sitters.ap/index.html



How would you end this stand-off?
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Ya-ta Boy



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 7:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ahhhh Berkeley. I remember the tear gas-tinged air of Berkeley, Ronnie Reagan giving the finger to the whole student body, being trapped in a dead end alley and playing tug of war with the cops using another protester as the rope...and three months of rain.

California doesn't really change.
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caniff



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 11:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ya-ta Boy wrote:
Ahhhh Berkeley. I remember the tear gas-tinged air of Berkeley, Ronnie Reagan giving the finger to the whole student body, being trapped in a dead end alley and playing tug of war with the cops using another protester as the rope...and three months of rain.

California doesn't really change.


You were there for the really 'good' protests, Ya-ta. Are you disappointed with this most recent version of Berkeley dis-anti-establishmentarianism? (sp?)
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Ya-ta Boy



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 3:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

To be honest, yes I am. I'm pretty disappointed with the younger generation in general. (There are exceptions.) But the protests were more exciting, the clothing styles were better, the music was better and the movies were better. Laughing
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Gopher



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 4:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In many cases, it has become protesting for the hell of it. The imperative has become "protest anything 'the people in power' propose or do."

caniff wrote:
Protesters howled, flung excrement and shook tree branches as campus-hired arborists cut supply lines and removed gear...

How would you end this stand-off?


Employ experts from the Animal Channel, put the protesters in the zoo, in the monkey cage, where they belong. Hose them down when they act this way in the future. When they learn to behave, toss them bananas or what-have-you. Do not allow them to reproduce.
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Zenas



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 6:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
put the protesters in the zoo, in the monkey cage


Our ancestors - the primates - are not put in cages now, that's too inhumane, but instead live in 'habitats.'

It's only us humans who are put in cages - like when we are imprisoned for non-violent drug related 'crimes' or when we want to protest what our government is doing - then we are allocated caged-in protest areas.

But that's only natural, since we evolved from animals, it's only fitting that our Masters treat us like animals, only in the case of us humans we are treated worse than our ancestors. At least they get a habitat.
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nicholas_chiasson



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 6:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Only humans have been known to use severed heads for necrophiliac acts. So...we might need some of the special treatment...
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bacasper



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 6:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

nicholas_chiasson wrote:
Only humans have been known to use severed heads for necrophiliac acts.

Got a link?
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caniff



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 9:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

How can they maintain their student status after sitting in a campus tree for months?

I like Gopher's solution.
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Gopher



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 9:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

caniff wrote:
How can they maintain their student status after sitting in a campus tree for months?


Dude. This is UC Berkeley. Sitting in a tree, howling at the authorities, refusing to surrender your urine, and flinging your excrement for months at a time is a three-credit course.
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nicholas_chiasson



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 9:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bacasper wrote:
nicholas_chiasson wrote:
Only humans have been known to use severed heads for necrophiliac acts.

Got a link?

http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/serial_killers/predators/kemper/girls_6.html

yes I do, but I wish people didn't ask me why I know this stuff. It's all Delaware's fault!
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Pligganease



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 10:11 pm    Post subject: Re: The Protesters' Hall of Fame Reply with quote

caniff wrote:
How would you end this stand-off?


Flamethrower.
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TheUrbanMyth



Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 10:42 pm    Post subject: Re: The Protesters' Hall of Fame Reply with quote

caniff wrote:
Korean's have got the numbers, but this group has shown they deserve special consideration for a first-ballot entry:



BERKELEY, California (AP) -- In December 2006, protesters angry about campus expansion plans clambered into the branches of a threatened oak grove at the University of California, Berkeley.Since then, Democrats have chosen their first black presidential candidate, the housing market has taken a dive, and gasoline prices have boomed.

Still, the tree-sitters continue to sit.

There had been signs that the protest might be coming to an end as a court case challenging a planned multimillion-dollar athletic training facility inched closer to resolution.

This month, administrators, who won a court order allowing them to evict the protesters at any time, cut supply lines, yanked a few protesters out of the trees and drove the rest into a single redwood. For a while, it looked like campus officials were prepared to starve protesters out.

But after the remaining half-dozen or so tree sitters said they were a) not moving and b) rationing water, officials relented and offered sustenance to the protesters aloft.

"This misguided effort to preserve a 1923 landscaping project certainly doesn't warrant any action that could cause harm or permanent health consequences for anybody involved," campus spokesman Dan Mogulof said.

Protesters and their supporters say they are prepared to hold out.

"They're very well-trained tree climbers. They're very experienced, and I have trust in them that they're going to keep themselves safe and they're going to keep defending the grove," said a ground supporter who would give her name only as Citizyn.

UC-Berkeley officials say they need the new center to provide safe and up-to-date facilities for their athletes. Once the center is built, the second phase of the project involves upgrading Memorial Stadium: old, dilapidated and sitting right on top of the Hayward fault.

Neighborhood residents, the city of Berkeley and the California Oak Foundation have sued to stop the project, saying it violates environmental and earthquake safety regulations.

A judge issued an injunction blocking construction while the suits were pending and was expected to make a definitive ruling earlier this month. But that ruling turned out to be a bit mixed, with both sides reading victory into its 129 pages.

Alameda County Superior Court Judge Barbara Miller found that the new center is mostly legal. However, on the stadium upgrade part of the project, she said the university has to prove that some planned work doesn't amount to more than 50 percent of the value of the original building, a state requirement.

On Friday, UC-Berkeley filed a response saying it is eliminating the items the judge questioned. Administrators also asked the judge to modify the preliminary injunction, saying there are no longer grounds for preventing construction on the new facility.

Once the judge has issued a final ruling, it can be appealed. But construction could begin earlier if UC is successful in getting the injunction lifted.

On the tree issue, campus officials note that most of the trees were planted by the university in the 1920s. They have promised to plant three trees for every one felled. But tree-sitters say that is not acceptable.For the past 18 months, protesters had been cycling in and out, using supply lines stretched over a campus-erected barricade. But the stepped-up campus actions stopped that.

In the past two weeks, the mood has swung wildly.

Protesters howled, flung excrement and shook tree branches as campus-hired arborists cut supply lines and removed gear.
But by late this week, campus police were conducting delicate negotiations with tree-sitters, offering to provide food and water if protesters would lower their waste on a daily basis in the interest of hygiene.

Campus officials ended up giving up the water without concessions; protesters declined to yield their urine.

http://edition.cnn.com/2008/US/06/28/tree.sitters.ap/index.html



How would you end this stand-off?


I'd bring out the tasers.
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catman



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 11:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Protesters Hall of Fame?

Got to inlcude the ajosshi with pants around ankles after SK lost in 2006 World Cup.
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caniff



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 3:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gopher wrote:
caniff wrote:
How can they maintain their student status after sitting in a campus tree for months?


Dude. This is UC Berkeley. Sitting in a tree, howling at the authorities, refusing to surrender your urine, and flinging your excrement for months at a time is a three-credit course.


Don't forget the branch-shaking. Extra credit for that.
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