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Big_Bird · Posted: Sun Jun 29, 2008 9:04 pm Post subject:

That's a very interesting article, Jorge. Thank you.

bacasper · Joined: 26 Mar 2007

I remember (truly) a PBS special with Alan Alda in which false memories were created for us live before the cameras.

False Memory Syndrome is well-recognized in psychology, psychiatry, and legal circles. It is responsible for the prosecution of untold numbers of people in Satanic Ritual Abuse cases of the 80's and 90's and numerous others.

Kuros · Joined: 27 Apr 2004

My guess is that Liberal hippocampii work the same as Conservative hippocampii.

Czarjorge · Posted: Sun Jun 29, 2008 10:07 pm Post subject:

Yeah, it's really about controlling the discussion. This would be one of the reasons people in power tend to stay in power if they can effectively manage the media. It is feasible to brainwash the entire population.

I wonder if the Bushies were aware of this research awhile ago? Rove's playbook really seems to take advantage of this heavily.

Gopher · Joined: 04 Jun 2005

Human memories constantly edit, reedit, deleting this or that even, and generally recreate themselves so that the present day makes sense and seems justified. Our minds seem to have evolved this way, it remains part of our hardwiring, it represents who we are.

Has nothing to do with "the people in power" or "lies," then, and everything to do with the human condition.

Why not read Jan Vansina or anyone else who theorizes memory, especially "selective memory," memoirs, oral history, and their problems?

Bramble · Joined: 26 Jan 2007 Location: National treasures need homes

I remember this Web site smelling like a big pile of dog poo not very long ago. Maybe it was a big pile of roses and I remembered it wrong?

IMF crisis · Joined: 27 Mar 2008

Gopher wrote:

Ya-ta Boy · Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Established in 1994

As coincidence would have it (or not, considering some people's views on coincidences), I've been reading Lauren Slater's "Opening Skinner's Box: Great Psychological Experiments of the Twentieth Century". One of her chapters is 'Lost in the Mall', the name of Elizabeth Loftus' famous experiment on False Memories.

Dr. Loftus had been working on memory for some time and was called to be an expert witness for a man accused of raping and killing his daughter's best friend. She failed to convince the jury and her failure stimulated her to create an experiment to demonstrate that False Memories are 'normal' for us. Because ethicists won't allow scientists to create real trauma, she had to come up with an experiment that ethicists would accept. I won't go in to all the details but it involved family members writing a list of 9 family traumas and then a false trauma of a family member being lost in a mall when a child. The family member was then asked to tell details of each of the 10 situations. 25% were able to give detailed reports of being lost in a mall when they were a kid, even though it had never happened.

This caused an uproar when it was published and has remained controversial. It challenges the idea of repression. Did you know there is no scientific proof of repression?

A vivid example happened later. Two sisters remembered at 'a religious retreat where sins were called forth and darkness dispelled, that they had been horrifically abused by their father'. After two days of interogation by detectives, the father confessed. Dr. Loftus was skeptical and asked her friend Richard Ofshe, an expert on religious cults, to intervene. He went to the jail and told the prisoner that his son and daughter had accused the man of forcing the two of them to have sex with each other while the prisoner watched. The next day the prisoner confessed to this crime, too. In spite of this, the man is still in jail.

We are extraordinarily susceptible to suggestion. It's kind of creepy.

We are also less conscious far more of the time than we think we are. (Think about driving home and being surprised and not being aware of having driven home.) Stephen Pinker talks about that.

Bigfeet · Joined: 29 May 2008 Location: Grrrrr.....

People are highly suggestible. Watch Derren Brown in action:
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=befugtgikMg

Big_Bird · Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 4:31 am Post subject:

ddeubel · Joined: 20 Jul 2005

I remember this forum! And I remember Gopher as being such a brain. I really think Fox should hire him.....

Oh yeah, I'm living proof the article says something. McCluhan might be appropriate here -- "the memory is the massage.".......

DD

Gopher · Joined: 04 Jun 2005

The Bobster · Joined: 15 Jan 2003

ddeubel · Joined: 20 Jul 2005

Gopher,

Have you ever noticed ( if so, to your credit), that whenever you have some profound truth it always relates to some condition or "human condition"?

Don't you really see that like so many arch conservatives before you, you refuse to see TRUTH -- meaning that there are things in this life that we CAN contribute and attribute to something other than a watered down version of "them there those are dumbwits and deserved it".

that is what your philosophy and ruse of "education" amounts to. Think about it or don't think about it. I stand by my assertion.

without humanity, thought is mere gesticulation.

DD