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Beeyee
Joined: 29 May 2007
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 Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 4:01 pm Post subject: UK Foreign Office refusing to apostille Basic Disclosure |
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As per the thread title.....
I am having a solicitor in the UK deal with all the E2 criminal idiocy for me whilst I wait patiently here. Well I received an email this morning from him saying that the Foreign Office will not apostille Disclosure Scotland documents because I applied for it online.
I am really running out of time on this. What are my options? It is notarized by the solicitor. Is that enough for Korean Immigration? |
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nobbyken
Joined: 07 Jun 2006
Location: Yongin ^^
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| Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 4:33 pm Post subject: |
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You only apply for the basic disclosure online, but the full disclosure has to be applied from the UK.
Maybe the won't do a basic disclosure, but would do a full (enhanced) disclosure. |
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Scouse Mouse
Joined: 07 Jan 2007
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| Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 4:42 pm Post subject: |
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Disclosure Scotland is a joke. I had to use them for a job in the UK and they asked for proof of address. I had just moved house and had to wait a while for some bills to arrive. Before I could prove it, they got bored and just sent out the check anyway. No wonder the foreign office are unwilling to certify such a worthless document!
Call your local police station and have them send you a form for a Subject Access Request. Fill out the form, and request the basic disclosure from them (it tells you on the form which one you need for a criminal check for jobs). It will cost 10 quid, will take up to 40 days, and will be delivered anywhere in the world.
When it arrives, it will be your criminal check on some nice paper from Scotland Yard. Any government agency will happily apostille it. |
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Beeyee
Joined: 29 May 2007
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| Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 6:51 pm Post subject: |
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Disclosure Scotland is a joke. I had to use them for a job in the UK and they asked for proof of address. I had just moved house and had to wait a while for some bills to arrive. Before I could prove it, they got bored and just sent out the check anyway. No wonder the foreign office are unwilling to certify such a worthless document!
Call your local police station and have them send you a form for a Subject Access Request. Fill out the form, and request the basic disclosure from them (it tells you on the form which one you need for a criminal check for jobs). It will cost 10 quid, will take up to 40 days, and will be delivered anywhere in the world.
When it arrives, it will be your criminal check on some nice paper from Scotland Yard. Any government agency will happily apostille it. |
Not an option I am afraid. I have about 3 weeks left on my visa and besides, Korean Immigration would decline me if they saw my full disclosure  |
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Scouse Mouse
Joined: 07 Jan 2007
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| Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 7:46 pm Post subject: |
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| Beeyee wrote: |
| Not an option I am afraid. I have about 3 weeks left on my visa and besides, Korean Immigration would decline me if they saw my full disclosure |
The basic disclosure from the Police does not show any cautions, any offences commited as a minor, or any spent convictions. It shows exactly the same things that Disclosure Scotland give out.
Try calling your Local Police head office and ask for "Information Services", or the "Data Protection Officer". Be nice to them and they can speed things up. 40 days is the maximum they can take by law, but I got mine in 3 days. Helps that my mate was the DPO for my local force
Scotland Yard are very fast. The slow part is your local police station doing their part and then forwarding the request. It also helps if you pay by postal order rather than cheque, as a cheque needs to clear before they will begin processing anything. |
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Beeyee
Joined: 29 May 2007
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| Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 9:46 pm Post subject: |
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| Scouse Mouse wrote: |
The basic disclosure from the Police does not show any cautions, any offences commited as a minor, or any spent convictions. It shows exactly the same things that Disclosure Scotland give out.
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Are you sure a Basic Disclosure is available from the police? I was under the impression that it was a Subject Access Check and that it would show ALL of my police history.
I have an arrest for a semi-serious offence but not a conviction. I assumed that would show? |
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Scouse Mouse
Joined: 07 Jan 2007
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| Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 10:05 pm Post subject: |
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| Beeyee wrote: |
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The basic disclosure from the Police does not show any cautions, any offences commited as a minor, or any spent convictions. It shows exactly the same things that Disclosure Scotland give out.
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Are you sure a Basic Disclosure is available from the police? I was under the impression that it was a Subject Access Check and that it would show ALL of my police history.
I have an arrest for a semi-serious offence but not a conviction. I assumed that would show? |
Nah, they do a few different levels of Subject Access Request. The one that only shows unspent criminal convictions is the basic disclosure. Whilst your arrest without conviction could show on that, they kindly delete it before hitting print
I have had plenty of arrests in my wild youth. Two of the deal breakers for Korea were getting caught with pot when I was a kid (caution), and a pretty serious arrest (violence - blame the alcohol) that was dropped after 5 months of bail because the silly witnesses kept insisting I was scottish 
None of this showed up for me. My friend explained that if it did show up, it would be deleted. You are asking for a record of current convictions under the DPA, and so giving you anything other than a list of current convictions would be a breach. |
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daz1979
Joined: 29 Apr 2006
Location: Gangwon-Do
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| Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 10:27 pm Post subject: |
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My basic disclosure was accepted yesterday by immigration in Kangwon-Do.
My mother took my disclosure to a solicitor in the UK. They wouldn't stamp the original; however they made a copy and stamped that for 5 quid. I was worried that this would cause problems, but I took both my copy and original to the embassy in Seoul and they notorised it for 57,000.
Immi seemed happy enough and processed the visa.
Good luck! |
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BS.Dos.
Joined: 29 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 10:44 pm Post subject: |
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I don't think the Police do offer different levels of disclosure, they simply have a Subject Access form (or whatever it's called), which I'm pretty sure has a box which if selected will result in them sending you a full disclosure. Be careful when you fill out the subject access form as if you were ever arrested etc years ago, it'll show up. Read it through carefully and be sure that you request the correct disclosure.
I was turned down from a position in Seoul as I was arrested for getting caught playing with an air-rifle when I was 15. Unfortunately, air rifle offences are listed under shotguns and firearms. I later got offered a different job using an un-apostilled basic disclosure. |
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mrsquirrel
Joined: 13 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 10:49 pm Post subject: |
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I don't think the Police do offer different levels of disclosure, they simply have a Subject Access form (or whatever it's called), which I'm pretty sure has a box which if selected will result in them sending you a full disclosure. Be careful when you fill out the subject access form as if you were ever arrested etc years ago, it'll show up. Read it through carefully and be sure that you request the correct disclosure.
I was turned down from a position in Seoul as I was arrested for getting caught playing with an air-rifle when I was 15. Unfortunately, air rifle offences are listed under shotguns and firearms. I later got offered a different job using an un-apostilled basic disclosure. |
That should be spent and not appear on your record now.
Were you cautioned for it? |
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BS.Dos.
Joined: 29 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Fri Jun 13, 2008 12:19 am Post subject: |
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^Yeah, I was fined 15 quid!
It didn't show up on the basic, but it did on the full, hence why I didn't get the job I originally applied for, not that I'm bothered about it mind you. I wouldn't trade my current HS with anyone. |
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Hootsmon
Joined: 22 Jan 2008
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| Posted: Fri Jun 13, 2008 12:24 am Post subject: |
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| daz1979 wrote: |
My basic disclosure was accepted yesterday by immigration in Kangwon-Do.
My mother took my disclosure to a solicitor in the UK. They wouldn't stamp the original; however they made a copy and stamped that for 5 quid. I was worried that this would cause problems, but I took both my copy and original to the embassy in Seoul and they notorised it for 57,000.
Immi seemed happy enough and processed the visa.
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I was under the impression that if you for your CRC from the UK, you could just get it sent here then take it to the British Embassy. Do you have to get it notarised first from a lawyer? Or can you just rock up to the Embassy here with it fresh from the police computers?
Bit more of a hassle if I have to organise getting it to a lawyer in the UK before getting it sent here. |
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seoul101
Joined: 13 May 2006
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Fri Jun 13, 2008 1:00 am Post subject: |
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| I called the British embassy in Seoul today - they told me it was unnecessary to get the Basic Disclosure notarized before giving it to them. |
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Hootsmon
Joined: 22 Jan 2008
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| Posted: Fri Jun 13, 2008 5:58 am Post subject: |
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| I called the British embassy in Seoul today - they told me it was unnecessary to get the Basic Disclosure notarized before giving it to them. |
Guess that will apply to the Subject Access Request from the local police too...
Thanks for letting us know. Makes the whole process slightly easier for us over here. |
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Dome Vans
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| Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 11:22 pm Post subject: |
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| I wouldn't trade my current HS with anyone. |
I'll trade your HS for my MS and a massive pile of your Panini footie swaps and my Sade CD. |
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