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F2 visa holders: don't get shafted

 
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fence sitter



Joined: 17 Aug 2006

PostPosted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 4:18 pm    Post subject: F2 visa holders: don't get shafted Reply with quote

I see a lot of job openings on the board these days specifically looking for F2 visa holders, but when you browse through the terms of the contract, you may notice that nothing is different from what they're offering the E2 guys. The sad thing is that they could care less about the fact that as an F2 you [typically] have more teaching experience than most. What they're really looking for is someone they can hire without all the hassle of the E2 visa process. Do they reward you for saving them the trouble? Oh, hell no.

F2 visa holders, please do not accept these jobs at face value. You are saving those schools time, money and headaches, and that sort of value should come at a premium.

Don't sell yourself short.
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tob55



Joined: 29 Apr 2007

PostPosted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 4:24 pm    Post subject: Advice Reply with quote

Good advice. It becomes important because those who have committed through marriage to a Korean national have planned to become more a part of this culture. Koreans are generally kind people from my own personal experiences, but no one is above taking advantage of you if you let them. Moving through the F2-1 to the F5-9 proved this to me over and over again. I am glad to be a part of the culture and do my best do learn new things, but I have also learned to be extremely cautious of the people who are employing me. I have some consolation, because they know with my visa status they literally have no control over me as they did when I was on my E visa status.

Keep your eyes open and learn to negotiate for benefits. You can gain more by showing that you understand the system, and this is with or without an F visa.
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Bibbitybop



Joined: 22 Feb 2006
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 4:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm pretty sure the hassle is the teacher's burden. What's more of a hassle is having an F-series teacher quit mid-contract and easily find another job.
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Cohiba



Joined: 01 Feb 2005

PostPosted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 5:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you had an F2, for what conceivable reason would you be working
for a Korean? You got some fetish to line the pockets of these people?
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Faunaki



Joined: 15 Jun 2007

PostPosted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 5:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good advice. Thanks for that. It's hard to figure out how to make the most of an F2. I hear stories about F2s making 3.5-4 but honestly don't see how they do it.
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Cohiba



Joined: 01 Feb 2005

PostPosted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 6:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmmm, you "honestly don't see how they do it." Didn't you study
math at school.

5 hours per day, five days per week at 50,000KRW/hour equals

5,000,000KRW per Month

Now do you honestly see how it is done? Pretty simple, ain't it?
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Faunaki



Joined: 15 Jun 2007

PostPosted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 6:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Cohiba, that makes sense. The thing is I put adverts - before - for tutoring but I didn't get any calls - at all. So obviously I am doing it the wrong way. Any advice.
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bassexpander



Joined: 13 Sep 2007
Location: Someplace you'd rather be.

PostPosted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 6:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just because someone lines up 5 million in privates does not mean that all of those privates will be attending all of the time. Plus, there are holidays, etc., that people go on. The people who make the best money have a solid job with low hours and contact time, and have a small school in their homes.

There are ways to supplement income, but as someone who has lived and worked here for quite a while, I have learned what to believe and what not to believe.

I've also learned that those who brag about making big money rarely make high salaries consistently. The ones who make big cash are often very quiet about it. It's the braggarts that are full of piss and wind.
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Whistleblower



Joined: 03 Feb 2007

PostPosted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 7:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wouldn't want to touch some privates. Laughing

I am quite happy consulting, examining and teaching, earning some nice dough whilst I am at it.
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Juregen



Joined: 30 May 2006

PostPosted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 9:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bibbitybop wrote:
I'm pretty sure the hassle is the teacher's burden. What's more of a hassle is having an F-series teacher quit mid-contract and easily find another job.


Yours is only 1/2 the total hassle.
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Bibbitybop



Joined: 22 Feb 2006
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 9:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Juregen wrote:
Bibbitybop wrote:
I'm pretty sure the hassle is the teacher's burden. What's more of a hassle is having an F-series teacher quit mid-contract and easily find another job.


Yours is only 1/82 the total hassle.


Yes, that initial trip to the immigration office with the teacher's documents is very difficult. Much more difficult than obtaining those documents and tests.
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fence sitter



Joined: 17 Aug 2006

PostPosted: Wed Jul 02, 2008 9:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Yes, that initial trip to the immigration office with the teacher's documents is very difficult. Much more difficult than obtaining those documents and tests


You've obviously never worked the administration side of things. The hassle comes not from trips to immigration, but from teachers who begin the process, then decide halfway through that they've found a better offer or gotten cold feet or whatever, and leave you hanging with only a few precious weeks to fill positions.

Yes, F-2s could conceivably pull the same stunt, but in my 10 years of experience, it has never happened.
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