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NoDolan
Joined: 29 Jul 2007
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 Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 5:58 am Post subject: A long talk with by boss about break time |
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I teach 8 classes MWF without a break and only 5 min between classes, so I really look forward to my 2 breaks on T/TH. My breaks are back to back so I enjoy going out to eat and running errands. My boss starting leaving me notes asking me to tell him when I leave and those notes esculated to the point where he said I can't leave during working hours.
I had a long talk with him today, and he really doesn't want me to use my break time freely. I know he's breaking the law with break time but I doubt the labor board can do anything for me. The best I could do was comprimise and get allowance to leave during my first break as long as I'm back by the beginning of my second break.
4 more months and I'm out of there, and I'm going to tell all, but now I've just got to go with the flow. I really want my bonus and return airfare.
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I-am-me
Joined: 21 Feb 2006
Location: Hermit Kingdom
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I teach 6 classes straight twice a week and 7 classes straight once a week. I was firm with them when they asked about adding one more 7 class day. I said no way! If you dont stand up for yourself they will take all they can out of you. And dont let them throw the contract in your face. Its basically useless. If they dont follow labor rules, you dont have to follow their rules. You are not a slave here.  |
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NoDolan
Joined: 29 Jul 2007
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| Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 6:19 am Post subject: |
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| thanks. I'm thinking about a tatical approach to this problem. |
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IlIlNine
Joined: 15 Jun 2005
Location: Gunpo, Gyonggi, SoKo
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| Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 6:54 am Post subject: |
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| NoDolan wrote: |
| thanks. I'm thinking about a tatical approach to this problem. |
There's not much you can do at this point, to be honest. You haven't defended yourself well enough and now your boss does not respect you in the slightest. Regaining respect will be difficult, but possible.
Just remember that Koreans usually respond better to appeals to emotion rather than to reason. |
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ttompatz
Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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| Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 7:16 am Post subject: |
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| NoDolan wrote: |
| thanks. I'm thinking about a tatical approach to this problem. |
Tactical approach = I quit, effective right now. Bye. Turn around and walk out the door.
Things will change in about 15 minutes.
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tanklor1
Joined: 13 Jun 2006
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| Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 7:41 am Post subject: |
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Five minutes is....like.... hundreds of seconds. What the hell? I wish I had hundreds of seconds to relax.
Humour aside. I'm in the ECC boat, different school and different city I'm guessin'. I usually do my outside the classroom work during my T/T breaks: Stuff like marking papers, creating new materials, sitting in my chair... you know teachers stuff. |
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jkelly80
Joined: 13 Jun 2007
Location: you boys like mexico?
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| Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 2:34 pm Post subject: |
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| Your free time your own. What tactical advantage are you looking for? You have four months left. Tell him to shove it. |
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Mr. BlackCat
Joined: 30 Nov 2005
Location: Insert witty remark HERE
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| Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 3:59 pm Post subject: |
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Ahhhh, ECC. I remember those dark days.
You have several options.
1) "Oh, ok. No problem. Then I expect to be paid OT for those times. Effective retroactively. Payment due today."
2) "While I was sitting at my desk doing nothing on my 'break' I came upon a funny little piece of paper called the Labour Act of Korea. It says some crazy stuff about requiring breaks and maximum working hours. I'm going to follow that now. So, on MWF, I'm going to take an hour break after 5 classes. And no more Saturdays. Oh, and I'm just going to go over my past pay stubs with a fine tooth comb to make sure all the pennies add up. Thanks for making me sit at my desk for no reason so I had time to find this, call the labour board and ask someone to come here and take a look around!"
They act like they own you. Just don't accept it. What are they going to do? |
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Stormy
Joined: 10 Jan 2008
Location: Here & there
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| Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 4:08 pm Post subject: Re: A long talk with by boss about break time |
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| NoDolan wrote: |
I teach 8 classes MWF without a break and only 5 min between classes, so I really look forward to my 2 breaks on T/TH. My breaks are back to back so I enjoy going out to eat and running errands. My boss starting leaving me notes asking me to tell him when I leave and those notes esculated to the point where he said I can't leave during working hours.
I had a long talk with him today, and he really doesn't want me to use my break time freely. I know he's breaking the law with break time but I doubt the labor board can do anything for me. The best I could do was comprimise and get allowance to leave during my first break as long as I'm back by the beginning of my second break.
4 more months and I'm out of there, and I'm going to tell all, but now I've just got to go with the flow. I really want my bonus and return airfare.
YBM ECC |
Ok are you saying he doesn't want you to take breaks at all or he isn't threatening to take your breaks away, he just doesn't want you to leave the grounds in that time?
If it's the latter then I don't see that as an issue. Back at home you aren't encouraged to leave school grounds during the day, and if you do you inform someone. That said, on the odd occasion when I've wanted to nip out to the bank or wherever on my break here there's never been an issue.
It would be annoying but hardly something to get your knickers in a knot over. If he's saying no breaks at all then that's a different story. |
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Young FRANKenstein
Joined: 02 Oct 2006
Location: Castle Frankenstein (that's FRONKensteen)
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| Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 4:59 pm Post subject: |
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| NoDolan wrote: |
| I know he's breaking the law with break time but I doubt the labor board can do anything for me |
Wrong. Tey slapped Pagoda with fines so often because of them breaking the law on break times, Pagoda decided it was cheaper in the end to just stop doing it (most of the time).
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| The best I could do was comprimise... |
The best you could do is bend over and spread your cheeks.
| Stormy wrote: |
Ok are you saying he doesn't want you to take breaks at all or he isn't threatening to take your breaks away, he just doesn't want you to leave the grounds in that time?
If it's the latter then I don't see that as an issue. Back at home you aren't encouraged to leave school grounds during the day, and if you do you inform someone. |
It is an issue. Break times are YOURS to do with as you please. If you wish to let them know you're popping out for a bit, that's up to you, but as long as you are back by the time the break is finished they have no complaint.
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| If he's saying no breaks at all then that's a different story. |
That is the issue. MWF he has no break at all. TTh he is being told not to leave the school. Both positions break the law, but he is all pussified and let them bend him over. The only thing missing from his story is him shouting "Thank you, sir! May I have another!" |
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Mr. BlackCat
Joined: 30 Nov 2005
Location: Insert witty remark HERE
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Ok are you saying he doesn't want you to take breaks at all or he isn't threatening to take your breaks away, he just doesn't want you to leave the grounds in that time?
If it's the latter then I don't see that as an issue. Back at home you aren't encouraged to leave school grounds during the day, and if you do you inform someone. That said, on the odd occasion when I've wanted to nip out to the bank or wherever on my break here there's never been an issue.
It would be annoying but hardly something to get your knickers in a knot over. If he's saying no breaks at all then that's a different story. |
If his ECC is anything like mine was, then staying anywhere in the building is NOT a break. Our 'staffroom' was always full of children, the ones in trouble, the curious ones, the non-busy ones, etc. And they don't just leave you be. In addition to that, if you were just sitting at your desk reading a book or browsing the internet, they ALWAYS found something work related for you to do. Yes, you could just refuse to do it, but you could just refuse to stay at your desk in the first place. Plus, what are you going to eat? You should be able to run out and get a snack if you want.
What other job in this pay bracket demands that you stay at work all day without leaving? Everywhere else I've worked your breaks were always your own. They don't own you. I'm paid to teach X amount of classes a day, prep for those classes and do other teacher stuff. If it's all done, then what's the reason for forcing you to stay in the office? It's a control issue, something Koreans crave and demand. Trust me, for the money ECC pays, they're asking for waaaaaaay too much already. |
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Monkey82
Joined: 18 Mar 2008
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| I'm not sure what ECC is but my hagwon doesn't give me breaks. Right now it's because of crazy overtime, but even when that's over we're not supposed to leave the building. Well, we're allowed half an hour and we have to ask someone. And if our classes finish earlier than 8 we still have to stay to 8. Technically our contract doesn't say the hours we have to be at the hagwon, just the number of classes we need to teach. So I'm at work 11-8 everyday and I'm allowed to leave for 30 minutes, if I get permission. I'm going to search the labour board website. Oh - except that if they see me doing something not work related while sitting at my desk that counts as my 30 min. |
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Young FRANKenstein
Joined: 02 Oct 2006
Location: Castle Frankenstein (that's FRONKensteen)
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| I'm not sure what ECC is but my hagwon doesn't give me breaks. Right now it's because of crazy overtime, but even when that's over we're not supposed to leave the building. Well, we're allowed half an hour and we have to ask someone. And if our classes finish earlier than 8 we still have to stay to 8. Technically our contract doesn't say the hours we have to be at the hagwon, just the number of classes we need to teach. So I'm at work 11-8 everyday and I'm allowed to leave for 30 minutes, if I get permission. I'm going to search the labour board website. Oh - except that if they see me doing something not work related while sitting at my desk that counts as my 30 min. |
Call 1350. There are so many labour violations in what you just wrote, Labour should have a nice long chat with your boss. |
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captain kirk
Joined: 29 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 2:22 am Post subject: |
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| So I'm at work 11-8 everyday and I'm allowed to leave for 30 minutes, if I get permission. Oh - except that if they see me doing something not work related while sitting at my desk that counts as my 30 min. |
What if you commit mindcrime and just THINK about something not related to work. Can they steal your 30 minute break then? Lead lined baseball cap! Until they're banned. |
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captain kirk
Joined: 29 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 2:27 am Post subject: |
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| If it's all done (work, prep) then what's the reason for forcing you to stay in the office? It's a control issue, something Koreans crave and demand. |
Hagwon bosses/managment can't control their control cravings. Hand them a card for 'Control Freaks Anonymous local Chapter Meeting at Odd Fellows Hall' down the street. Every time they have a control craving they can bite on an eraser, lick it, and roll it around on their lips murmuring cooing sounds. |
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